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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: Fanatics |
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One of the things that seems to depress me more and more is what seems to be the increase in fanaticism. What I mean by this is the idea that one opinion is correct and that the other side is automatically wrong/evil. A fanatic is unwilling to listen to the other side, find the mistakes in his/her own ideas, and can't see the humor in his/her beliefs.
I don't know about other countries, all I know is about the United States, since that is my own country. I have heard about Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and others. But let's not forget the liberals who haven't come across as very liberal. Michael Moore may be a very funny and intelligent filmmaker, but has he actually tried improve the level of the debate, or has he too degenerated into name calling? Al Franken, another who goes for name calling. As a liberal, aren't we supposed to be more open, more willing to change and look for better ways?
On this website, I've seen conservative fanatics who will say their point but not listen to the other's point. They paint all muslims as terrorists and won't listen to other ideas why terrorism is happening right now. They forget that Christians have been very willing to use terror and bombings also.
But liberals on this website are no better. C'mon, can't you find anything good about the U.S? Or is it easier to accept that the United States is evil? Do you really think that capitalism is the root of all problems. Do you need to keep repeating the same boring cliche about George W? (we get it already, we know he's a moron)
Can't you listen to the hate you're spewing? |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Fanatics |
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riley wrote: |
One of the things that seems to depress me more and more is what seems to be the increase in fanaticism. What I mean by this is the idea that one opinion is correct and that the other side is automatically wrong/evil. A fanatic is unwilling to listen to the other side, find the mistakes in his/her own ideas, and can't see the humor in his/her beliefs.
I don't know about other countries, all I know is about the United States, since that is my own country. I have heard about Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and others. But let's not forget the liberals who haven't come across as very liberal. Michael Moore may be a very funny and intelligent filmmaker, but has he actually tried improve the level of the debate, or has he too degenerated into name calling? Al Franken, another who goes for name calling. As a liberal, aren't we supposed to be more open, more willing to change and look for better ways?
On this website, I've seen conservative fanatics who will say their point but not listen to the other's point. They paint all muslims as terrorists and won't listen to other ideas why terrorism is happening right now. They forget that Christians have been very willing to use terror and bombings also.
But liberals on this website are no better. C'mon, can't you find anything good about the U.S? Or is it easier to accept that the United States is evil? Do you really think that capitalism is the root of all problems. Do you need to keep repeating the same boring cliche about George W? (we get it already, we know he's a moron)
Can't you listen to the hate you're spewing? |
Dude, I love the U.S. I like the movies and the tv shows and the stock market and the small towns and the people and a good chunk of the literature.
Don't lump all us liberals together. |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I am a liberal also.
I guess my problem with liberals is that some seem so close minded or quick to judge. It seems to be against what being liberal means. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Fanatics |
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the_beaver wrote: |
riley wrote: |
One of the things that seems to depress me more and more is what seems to be the increase in fanaticism. What I mean by this is the idea that one opinion is correct and that the other side is automatically wrong/evil. A fanatic is unwilling to listen to the other side, find the mistakes in his/her own ideas, and can't see the humor in his/her beliefs.
I don't know about other countries, all I know is about the United States, since that is my own country. I have heard about Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and others. But let's not forget the liberals who haven't come across as very liberal. Michael Moore may be a very funny and intelligent filmmaker, but has he actually tried improve the level of the debate, or has he too degenerated into name calling? Al Franken, another who goes for name calling. As a liberal, aren't we supposed to be more open, more willing to change and look for better ways?
On this website, I've seen conservative fanatics who will say their point but not listen to the other's point. They paint all muslims as terrorists and won't listen to other ideas why terrorism is happening right now. They forget that Christians have been very willing to use terror and bombings also.
But liberals on this website are no better. C'mon, can't you find anything good about the U.S? Or is it easier to accept that the United States is evil? Do you really think that capitalism is the root of all problems. Do you need to keep repeating the same boring cliche about George W? (we get it already, we know he's a moron)
Can't you listen to the hate you're spewing? |
Dude, I love the U.S. I like the movies and the tv shows and the stock market and the small towns and the people and a good chunk of the literature.
Don't lump all us liberals together. |
Dude, you don't always have to quote the entire quote. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Fanatics |
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riley wrote: |
But liberals on this website are no better. C'mon, can't you find anything good about the U.S? Or is it easier to accept that the United States is evil? Do you really think that capitalism is the root of all problems. Do you need to keep repeating the same boring cliche about George W? (we get it already, we know he's a moron)
Can't you listen to the hate you're spewing? |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I think what we are all witnessing is the total breakdown of the traditional left. The traditional East Coast media stranglehold on the media has been totally blown to pieces by the Internet. It was smalltime pajama bloggers that blew the cover on CBS' attempted smaer piece with forged documents on the eve of the election.
The ivory towers have been stormed The democrats can't convince blacks that Republicans are racists, despite their attempts. Unions are now more likely to be white collar government workers who vote Democrat to protect their own taxpayer subsidized pensions. Women are freeing themselves from the mental shackles of feminism to the shock and dismay of the Maureen Dowds of the world.
It all adds up to an increasingly bitter and delusional Left. The right, even after decades of being marginalized by the coastal elites, seems rather content to watch it all. |
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Pangit
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Location: Puet mo.
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Bipartisanism is friggin' idiotic in the extreme. I utterly detest the current events forum because of it. The liberals this, the conservatives that. STFU. EAT IT. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Do you have a problem with "bipartisanism"?? or with English? |
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Pangit
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Location: Puet mo.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:08 am Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
Do you have a problem with "bipartisanism"?? or with English? |
The correct question is "Do you have a problem with bipartisanism?" but you needn't have asked it because I already stated my opinion. |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:33 am Post subject: |
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They forget that Christians have been very willing to use terror and bombings also. |
In very isolated cases and in no way comparable to they daily terrorist atrocities committed everywhere in the name of Islam. It is people like yourself who are the fanatics. You are totally attached to a liberal view of the world and will ignore any uncomfortable bits of evidence that contradict that viewpoint. By the way, has anyone said that 'all muslims are terrorists', or are you merely engaging in the same name calling you say is damaging debate. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:56 am Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
I think what we are all witnessing is the total breakdown of the traditional left. The traditional East Coast media stranglehold on the media has been totally blown to pieces by the Internet. It was smalltime pajama bloggers that blew the cover on CBS' attempted smaer piece with forged documents on the eve of the election.
The ivory towers have been stormed The democrats can't convince blacks that Republicans are racists, despite their attempts. Unions are now more likely to be white collar government workers who vote Democrat to protect their own taxpayer subsidized pensions. Women are freeing themselves from the mental shackles of feminism to the shock and dismay of the Maureen Dowds of the world.
It all adds up to an increasingly bitter and delusional Left. The right, even after decades of being marginalized by the coastal elites, seems rather content to watch it all. |
He says as the White House is mired in scandal, the situation in Iraq is growing worse, the Republican Speaker of the House also faces legal charges, and the Right's cry for less government has resulted in billions of increased deficit spending.
Not that you're wrong about much of what you've said about the Left or Maureen Dowd (who I believe is pretty idiotic for a NYTimes columnist). |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote
He says as the White House is mired in scandal, the situation in Iraq is growing worse, the Republican Speaker of the House also faces legal charges
The White House is not "mired in scandal"....unless you are taking your cues from the media elite. The situation in Iraq is hardly "worsening", some 80% just voted in favor of a constitution. And Delay is facing the wrath of an Austin Democratic prosecutor who previously indicted Republican Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison and gave money to moveon.org.
Seriously, the Republicans are strategically witholding fire until the right moment.
Just wait. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I tire of hating Liberals all the time. They excel at entertainment. I've watched conservative TV and its pretty much Lassie and Little House on the Prarie. That stinks. Liberal women are vain even while they insist they are enlightened. This means they can look very attractive. Except for the bull dykes. Liberals also often have good party favors. Conservatives just drink beer and whisky.
Ed Abbey said conservatives are the kind of people you want living on your street, you want them baby sitting your kids. The problem is is that they aren't much fun. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
Kuros wrote
He says as the White House is mired in scandal, the situation in Iraq is growing worse, the Republican Speaker of the House also faces legal charges
The White House is not "mired in scandal"....unless you are taking your cues from the media elite. The situation in Iraq is hardly "worsening", some 80% just voted in favor of a constitution. And Delay is facing the wrath of an Austin Democratic prosecutor who previously indicted Republican Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison and gave money to moveon.org.
Seriously, the Republicans are strategically witholding fire until the right moment.
Just wait. |
come on man, THINK for yourself instead of throwing out the Rush and Co. company line.
taking cues from the media elite? That would be you. Yes, Rush is part of that media elite. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
I think what we are all witnessing is the total breakdown of the traditional left.
The ivory towers have been stormed The democrats can't convince blacks that Republicans are racists, despite their attempts. Unions are now more likely to be white collar government workers who vote Democrat to protect their own taxpayer subsidized pensions. Women are freeing themselves from the mental shackles of feminism to the shock and dismay of the Maureen Dowds of the world.
It all adds up to an increasingly bitter and delusional Left. The right, even after decades of being marginalized by the coastal elites, seems rather content to watch it all. |
Ah, the irony.  |
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