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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: Was Gandhi a racist? |
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I recently read "Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity" by GB Singh. I met GB a couple of times when he was in Korea between 2001 and 2002.
Here is an extract from the inside flap:
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Gandhi lived in South Africa from 1893 to 1914, where he designed and perfected his techniques of Satyagraha. But to date, no one has asked the critical question about the genesis of Satyagraha, and only a handful of scholars have delved into the murky areas of Gandhi's "relationship" with black people. Similarly, only a few scholars have cast a critical eye on Gandhi's life in India from 1915 to his death in 1948. During this time he gained worldwide prestige, and yet nobody asked. What personal attitudes did his politics belie regarding the British, other whites, and India's own Untouchables? Did Gandhi truly believe in abolishing the caste system, as the rest of the world has been led to believe? GANDHI: BEHIND THE MASK OF DIVINITY is the first investigative book to analyze the Mahatma's own writings. In this highly critical, intriguing, and provocative investigation, Singh presents the personal side of Gandhi often underrepresented by the vast majority of Gandhian literature. Readers will find particularly interesting the case of William Francis Doherty, a white American whose murder at the hands of Gandhi's followers was subsequently covered up by Gandhi himself. What does this say about Gandhi the man, and what does it mean for our modern understanding of his beliefs? |
What little I know of the man came mainly from the film "Gandhi" around 1983 I believe. If you believe GB Sinh's view that was an entirely sanistised version of the man's life and a substantial portion of the production costs were paid by the Indian Governement to ensure that this was so.
In fact, after reading GB's book, I was rather saddened by the fact that one of the Icons of the age was less of an Icon than I had thought. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the only thing I could find on-line about the Doherty murder. It's from a website championing the "Sudroid negro" people of India, who apparently aren't too big on Hinduism or the caste system, and whose spokesmen identify them with the African diaspora. I have to admit I'd never heard of them before.
http://www.dalitstan.org/books/gandhi/gandhi3.html
From what I can glean, the "coverup" basically involved asking Doherty's widow not to tell the American public about the murder. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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I know little more about him than the movie either, but I'm always leary of revisionist history. Sometimes it's justified and sometimes it's just a hatchet job. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I read somewhere that he had black slaves, and that he hated black people. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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I saw a Penn and Teller program where they ripped on Mother Teresa, Ghandi and the Tibetan monks. They said Ghandi hated Black people and they showed some proof. Thats not the only place I've heard it too. |
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robitusson
Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Louis Fischer's definitive biography goes into his attitude towards blacks in South Africa to a degree. Gandhi freely admitted that he was only interested in the concerns of the Indians in South Africa at this time and had no appreciation for the plight of black South Africans. He also made a lot of other admissions about himself which portrayed him in a less than flattering light, such as his visit to a brothel and his meat-eating. It was his honesty and openess that made him remarkable not only what he did and said. There's other "revelations" about the Dalai Lama on various websites too. These exposes don't mean anything. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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robitusson wrote: |
These exposes don't mean anything. |
I readily admit that I don't know very much about Ghandi, but if he did hate black people that certainly does mean something. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:59 am Post subject: |
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��A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir��.
��What the British Indians pray for is very little. They ask for no political power. They admit the British race should be the dominant race in South Africa. All they ask for is freedom for those that are now settled and those that may be allowed to come in future to trade, to move about, and to hold landed property without any hindrance save the ordinary legal requirements.��
��Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension. ...Of course, under my suggestion, The Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly.��
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-3-2005_pg4_24
It seems that Ghandi was indeed a racist. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:27 am Post subject: |
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It seems that Ghandi was indeed a racist.
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I don't see where those quotes necessarily amount to racism.
Anyway, there is danger here of judging someone who wrote and spoke a hundred years ago by the morality of today. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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It seems that Ghandi was indeed a racist.
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I don't see where those quotes necessarily amount to racism. |
You can't be serious.
��A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir��.
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, there is danger here of judging someone who wrote and spoke a hundred years ago by the morality of today. |
Hitler happened in 1940. Its 2005 now so in 35 years he won't be racist. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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You can't be serious |
Yes, I can be serious. I'm no expert on South African history, but it seems to me that the races were legally bound into several different legal statuses. That quote seems to be saying that the white authorities are pushing the Indians from a middle position down to the lowest legal level. That is not racism. |
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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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You do realise that the South African word 'Kaffir' is the equivalent of n*gger, and is almost always used in a derogatory fashion. I know it's hard for you too deal with, but brown people can be just as racist as whites. In fact, Indians are some of the most racist people I have met, especially when it comes to black people. |
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Thunndarr

Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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bigverne wrote: |
I know it's hard for you too deal with, but brown people can be just as racist as whites. |
This does not fit in with my worldview that the white man is the source of all the world's evil, so I think I'll just have to ignore it. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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He probably wasn't a racist, but he certainly didn't feel the need to condemn his suporters who didn't abide to his philosophy of peaceful resistance. |
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