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20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

 
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:25 am    Post subject: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA Reply with quote

20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
by Angry Girl

Nightweed.com

Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html


3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html


4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886

5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26

http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php


7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have NO PAPER TRAIL of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html


10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm

11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm

12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml

13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov.)
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190

17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with NO PAPER TRAIL.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

18. ALL -- not some -- but ALL the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm

http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html

20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm

http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

http://uscountvotes.org/

NOTE: Please copy the above list and distribute freely! LET THE FACTS BE KNOWN! Thank you!

Want a cheap, fair, reliable, and efficient alternative? It exists! Check out the Swiss Voting System at http://www.swissvs.org

DECEMBER 2004 GALLUP POLLS
1 in 5 Americans believe the elections were fraudulent.

That's over 41 Million Americans. You are NOT alone!

WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT

Get educated. Tell your friends what's going on.
Go visit http://VelvetRevolution.US
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jlb



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow...the stats make the USA seem like Zimbabwe!
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

STOP THE PRESSES!
The board's wackjob posts another wackjob article!

If the above were true wouldn't the Democrats be filibustering everything until an investigation was held?

Would every Democrat be screaming for an interview on the subject with every 'Liberal Media' source (which are, apparently, all of them except Fox)?

Wouldn't the UNDPA be holding press conferences calling for an independent international inquiry, as they do in other instances of suspected vote-fraud?

Next conspiracy theory, please.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would think so, that is if they were a real opposition party.

Sadly though, they seem more and more to be a pretend party who pretends to oppose the Republicans, but always comes across with weak initiatives, poor leadership and no real momentum.

Like someone posted back just after the "election","He was our guy who was really their guy who conceeded defeat way too early without so much as a whimper".

It seems that the Dems don't know how to be effective as an opposition party and it also seems like they don't really care.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is there a conspiracy with 1, 2 and 3? They are either facts or they are not.

And I imagine that with no compsiracy, Repubs can rebut these and every other point.

Let's hear from the rebut repubs ....
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
If the above were true wouldn't the Democrats be filibustering everything until an investigation was held?

Election reform has just about always had one fundamental problem : the guys in charge of changing the way voting happens are the same guys you got there jobs by means of the very same problems that need to be corrected ...

By the way, I'm grateful that IGTG takes the trouble to read the marginal, fringe and whacky websites. The fact that he does means that maybe I don't have to ...

And, no, I didn't take time out of my day to click on every one those links - can't imagine that a lot of us here have that much time ...
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
By the way, I'm grateful that IGTG takes the trouble to read the marginal, fringe and whacky websites. The fact that he does means that maybe I don't have to ...


Agreed.

I actually copied that and emailed it to my redneck family back home. Even if it's just a "little bit" true, it's still pretty scary.

I poke a lot of fun at igotthisconspiracytheory's posts, but I do read them and agree with more than I will ever admit. Wink
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JeJuJitsu



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
Bulsajo wrote:
If the above were true wouldn't the Democrats be filibustering everything until an investigation was held?

Election reform has just about always had one fundamental problem : the guys in charge of changing the way voting happens are the same guys you got there jobs by means of the very same problems that need to be corrected ...

...


Same reason you can vote with no photo ID. I'm no Republican, so I think it's good that Dems can get far more fraudulent votes than the Reeps, but at the end of the day, it's just insane that you do not need a photo ID to vote, but you need one to ride a bus, rent from Blockbuster, etc.
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