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Karabeara
Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Location: The right public school beats a university/unikwon job any day!
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject: At my wits end with my public school |
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I am at my wits end with my public school. I do not want to say where it is, but I just want to let out my frustrations and anger.
First of all, this open class situation is a joke. I have no time to prepare for it properly, because of all the school newspaper articles my stupid school is having me correct. They also expect every lesson, with attached student samples, for the entire year in every class. I also have no time to dedicate to making my lessons good. I have worked over-time, unpaid, for two weeks to prepare for this joke. I have come in on Saturday. My stupid co-teacher got sick and could not practice. We now have to cram practices into every free possible hour in the next 3 days, of which I have virtually none (my schedule is already packed). They have so graciously revamped my schedule so that I can make up the hours that I am missing due to the practice for this dumb non-realistic event.
The co-teacher, who was my friend, has gotten on my nerves to the point that I do not want to associate with her. She cannot seem to get it in her head that we need to outline what we will be doing in the class that day at the BEGINNING of the lesson. She wants it in the middle, because of some reason she cannot seem to explain. She cannot speak, either, and she begs me to write out scripts for her to memorize so that her English is passable. She butchers these beyond belief in practice, and it gets worse when she becomes nervous. In short, in front of so many government people and others from other schools, we are dead.
Way to go, Korea! Your stupid, worthless program has managed to destroy the one true friendship I have been able to cultivate here.
Do I even need to outline the stupidity involved with making me sit in an open office with one other teacher during what would have been my vacation time, while the rest of the school is away on vacation? Do I need to mention the fact that I cannot be allowed a raise if I stay next year, due to some nebulous government policy?
I am told there will be a question/answer session after my open class. At this time, after everyone tells me I did oh so wonderfully, I will gladly tell them I have no intention of staying with this program, and will go back to a hagwon. At least I am paid an hour for an hours work, and do not have to put up with crazy open classes that are nothing more than a show and a massive waste of time. My school also would not reimburse us for the money we are spending on props, and so forth.
At least at a hagwon I am teaching 12 students or less per class (instead of 35 to 40), and am at least notified when I will be allowed to take vacation. At a hagwon, I will not have to teach unpaid dog-and-pony show open classes, or prepare for them. I will not have to correct student newspaper articles on my own time.
Better yet, I think I will just take my education degree with me and go home when this contract is finished.
Oh, by the way, please head down to the immigration office (on your own time) to verify your degree. Sure, I do not mind travelling 2 hours hour of my way on my day off just to do the job you dumb idiots should have done in the first place. |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Location: Ancient Greece
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Whoa! Someones having a bad day at the office
Just take it as another good ole' day in the Land of the Morning Kimchi
Seriously, your situation sucks, but just try to do the best you can and I'm sure it'll pan out ok in the end. If it doesn't..well then you've always got a shoulder to cry on...  |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Karabeara,
Sorry to hear about that situation. I can see how that would suck. When you say friendship is ruined, do you mean w/ your co-teacher? Because maybe once everything cools down, maybe that can get better. Hope so, for your sake. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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| I'm sorry to hear that. Hiring season is coming up and there are other good gigs around plus uni jobs. If you have an education degree and two years of public school teaching under your belt it might be better to look into doing that. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sorry to hear that. Hiring season is coming up and there are other good gigs around plus uni jobs. If you have an education degree and two years of public school teaching under your belt it might be better to look into doing that. |
Hell, yeah. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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I had similar headaches when I did my first year of public school as well.
Key words to remember.
Okay, I'll work on that. Yeah I should have it done by the end of the month.
Remember they dont want detailed lesson plans...they want a general outline. The outline only applies to any extra/special classes that you will be teaching. Tell them that you will give lesson plans a week in advance..nothing more...nothing less...you will have to tell them that you will not compromise on this...you will do them one week ahead of time PERIOD!
Dont worry about practicing with your co-teacher...just go in do your stuff and shine.....dont worry about anything else.
Your co-teacher isnt your friend...never was your friend and never will be your friend...she/he is there to coerce/make/intimidate you into doing more than you should so they will look better.
Tell her that you think it would be better for her to write out her own scripts...its the only way that her English will improve. Having someone else do it doesnt help her at all(you could tell her that you would be glad to check them over once she brings them to you) but there is no reason for you to be doing her work for her!
You do have 15 sick days....make use of 7 or 8 of them over the vacation period...a couple here...a couple there, you know some 4 or 5 day long weekends
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| My school also would not reimburse us for the money we are spending on props, and so forth. |
Then why oh why are you spending anything on props? Who said they wouldnt re-imburse you? Your co-teacher? Talk to the VP about it...chances are its the standard co-teacher bullcrap response(IE just say no to the Waygookin)
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| I will not have to correct student newspaper articles on my own time. |
Why are you correcting student articles? Is it in your contract? Bill them for it...if it takes you an hour or two a week tell them you expect to be paid overtime for doing it...make it worthwhile!
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| Oh, by the way, please head down to the immigration office (on your own time) to verify your degree. |
Tell them you will have to miss a day of classes to do it. Why do it on your own time? If they want you to do it tell them you need money for transportation. If they dont like it they can either drive you there or forget about it!
Korean public school is run by the lazy and incompetant(when dealing with FT's) They will treat you like a slave unless you put your foot down and let them know that its not acceptable(or professional) to do so.
Koreans have a social heirarchy that they adhere to. They really have a hard time figuring out where FT's fit in....and often put them at the bottom of the pile to start with....if you tell/show them that you are equal to them they will treat you much much better....if you let them walk all over you they will tapdance your ass into the ground laughing all the way! |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Whooaah, Grotto! Don't lump all schools into the same group. Mine does want lesson plans but has wanted them the friday before that week. As far as the whole degree check, my vice-principal has been very sorry and has no problems with me taking off early to go to immigration. Doesn't mean it's perfect, there's a hell of a lot of bureaucratic bullshitease going at times. (i.e. silly workshops) Just trying to say that not all are the same, thankfully  |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:48 am Post subject: Re: At my wits end with my public school |
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I agree with a bit of what both Grotto and Riley said. Good points from both posters.
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| I am at my wits end with my public school. I do not want to say where it is, but I just want to let out my frustrations and anger. |
Catharsis is good sometimes.
| Karabeara wrote: |
| First of all, this open class situation is a joke. |
Fortunately, I haven't had to go through much of this. I had a lady from the ed'n dept observe my and my K-co-T's class one morning for about five minutes. One other time, there were a few big wigs around because some local uni student-teachers were doing their thing. I looked at their syllabus and was impressively shocked, or was that shockingly impressed? Naw, the former is better. It was actually bloody ridiculous. EVERYTHING was typed. EVERYTHING she said. EVERY grammar point. EVERY response that was expected from the students. It was about thirty pages long for a 40-minute lesson. It was TOTALLY orchestrated, which I think really doesn't work for the ESL classroom(but what do I know?). Now that's what I call either dedication, or stupidity, or kissing ass, or a big waste of paper. Go with what Riley says. I do Chapter, Pages, Target Language, Supplementary, and that's it. I hate to think what would have happened had a student asked the student-teacher a question that wasn't on the "plan".
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| I have no time to prepare for it properly, because of all the school newspaper articles my stupid school is having me correct. They also expect every lesson, with attached student samples, for the entire year in every class. I also have no time to dedicate to making my lessons good. I have worked over-time, unpaid, for two weeks to prepare for this joke. I have come in on Saturday. My stupid co-teacher got sick and could not practice. We now have to cram practices into every free possible hour in the next 3 days, of which I have virtually none (my schedule is already packed). They have so graciously revamped my schedule so that I can make up the hours that I am missing due to the practice for this dumb non-realistic event. |
No offense intended, but I think you may be putting in way too much work and effort. I'm not saying that you have to be a complete slacker and do a bad job, but I honestly think that you are expecting too much of yourself. Please be careful of burnout.
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| The co-teacher, who was my friend, has gotten on my nerves to the point that I do not want to associate with her. She cannot seem to get it in her head that we need to outline what we will be doing in the class that day at the BEGINNING of the lesson. She wants it in the middle, because of some reason she cannot seem to explain. She cannot speak, either, and she begs me to write out scripts for her to memorize so that her English is passable. She butchers these beyond belief in practice, and it gets worse when she becomes nervous. In short, in front of so many government people and others from other schools, we are dead. |
Your co-worker may have more pressure than you, but I could be wrong. Why not just cut her out of the picture, at least for this activity? I usually only have my co-teacher step in when a model dialogue is necessary or some of the girls are getting roudy. Get her to do hand-outs, or click the mouse or something, and do the lesson on your own, having the students doing the main work/participating.
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| Way to go, Korea! Your stupid, worthless program has managed to destroy the one true friendship I have been able to cultivate here. |
I think your friendship might still be salvageable. Talk to someone. With the friend, or a higher-up, about some of your complaints. From what I know, teachers are supposed to do the required teaching hours, with preparation of course. But just because you're there from nine to five, doesn't mean that you're supposed to be running yourself ragged and doing much more than most of us do. Again, this comes from inconsistencies within the public school system. Pull out your contract and say that you teach 22(or whatever hours) as all EPIK/GEPIK/WHATEVERers do and that the other time shouldn't be used for them to manipulate you into being a go-getter for everyone.
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| Do I even need to outline the stupidity involved with making me sit in an open office with one other teacher during what would have been my vacation time, while the rest of the school is away on vacation? Do I need to mention the fact that I cannot be allowed a raise if I stay next year, due to some nebulous government policy? |
Fortunately again, I am not subjected to these punishments. Yes, I have to do a week winter camp this January, but not much else. It's too bad you didn't go with a good(?) recruiter instead. Hindsight.
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| I am told there will be a question/answer session after my open class. At this time, after everyone tells me I did oh so wonderfully, I will gladly tell them I have no intention of staying with this program, and will go back to a hagwon. At least I am paid an hour for an hours work, and do not have to put up with crazy open classes that are nothing more than a show and a massive waste of time. My school also would not reimburse us for the money we are spending on props, and so forth. |
Do you have computers in the classrooms? I know that you're working really hard to impress and it sounds like you have a really good work ethic, but again, I think you're doing a bit much.
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At least at a hagwon I am teaching 12 students or less per class (instead of 35 to 40), and am at least notified when I will be allowed to take vacation. At a hagwon, I will not have to teach unpaid dog-and-pony show open classes, or prepare for them. I will not have to correct student newspaper articles on my own time.
Better yet, I think I will just take my education degree with me and go home when this contract is finished. |
I don't think you should have to go home unless you really want to. As others said, there are some better places out there who will appreciate your hard efforts much more than your current workplace seems to. It's probably better if you exit on good terms; but if you really want to, kick some ass.
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| Oh, by the way, please head down to the immigration office (on your own time) to verify your degree. Sure, I do not mind travelling 2 hours hour of my way on my day off just to do the job you dumb idiots should have done in the first place. |
You'll be fine. I like your spirit and the way you laid everything out logically for us. Strange thing for me to say, yet I really think they do this kind of open-class crap because they really do believe that they will be able to get something from you that they know could help Korea and its ed'n system. It's the "Magical Sponge Phenomenon," or "MSP." The main problem is that they don't really know what it is that they're looking for and when what they've been looking for all along is staring them right in the face, they're looking at a pic of themselves on their new cell phone(or some other pitiful activity could be substituted). I fondly remember a former co-worker's strong British accent when he was referring to some of his uni classes. Here are a couple of my favourite quotes of his: "THEY JUST SIT THERE!!!" and "THEY'RE JUST NOT GETTING IT!!!" Oh, where are you today Skinny Raving Jeremy? Have you morphed into the Phat Fat E-soju Raving Guru King? |
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: At my wits end with my public school |
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| Karabeara wrote: |
I am at my wits end with my public school. I do not want to say where it is, but I just want to let out my frustrations and anger.
First of all, this open class situation is a joke. I have no time to prepare for it properly, because of all the school newspaper articles my stupid school is having me correct. They also expect every lesson, with attached student samples, for the entire year in every class. I also have no time to dedicate to making my lessons good. I have worked over-time, unpaid, for two weeks to prepare for this joke. I have come in on Saturday. My stupid co-teacher got sick and could not practice. We now have to cram practices into every free possible hour in the next 3 days, of which I have virtually none (my schedule is already packed). They have so graciously revamped my schedule so that I can make up the hours that I am missing due to the practice for this dumb non-realistic event.
The co-teacher, who was my friend, has gotten on my nerves to the point that I do not want to associate with her. She cannot seem to get it in her head that we need to outline what we will be doing in the class that day at the BEGINNING of the lesson. She wants it in the middle, because of some reason she cannot seem to explain. She cannot speak, either, and she begs me to write out scripts for her to memorize so that her English is passable. She butchers these beyond belief in practice, and it gets worse when she becomes nervous. In short, in front of so many government people and others from other schools, we are dead.
Way to go, Korea! Your stupid, worthless program has managed to destroy the one true friendship I have been able to cultivate here.
Do I even need to outline the stupidity involved with making me sit in an open office with one other teacher during what would have been my vacation time, while the rest of the school is away on vacation? Do I need to mention the fact that I cannot be allowed a raise if I stay next year, due to some nebulous government policy?
I am told there will be a question/answer session after my open class. At this time, after everyone tells me I did oh so wonderfully, I will gladly tell them I have no intention of staying with this program, and will go back to a hagwon. At least I am paid an hour for an hours work, and do not have to put up with crazy open classes that are nothing more than a show and a massive waste of time. My school also would not reimburse us for the money we are spending on props, and so forth.
At least at a hagwon I am teaching 12 students or less per class (instead of 35 to 40), and am at least notified when I will be allowed to take vacation. At a hagwon, I will not have to teach unpaid dog-and-pony show open classes, or prepare for them. I will not have to correct student newspaper articles on my own time.
Better yet, I think I will just take my education degree with me and go home when this contract is finished.
Oh, by the way, please head down to the immigration office (on your own time) to verify your degree. Sure, I do not mind travelling 2 hours hour of my way on my day off just to do the job you dumb idiots should have done in the first place. |
I know exactly how you feel. I am totally at a loss as what to do about my public high school gig. |
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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well, about having too much work, just refuse. not rudely, but politely tell them that you feel with that workload, you must cut out a few of your classes to have enough time.
my middle school wanted students to write in a journal, twice a week, and "since it is too difficult for them" i would correct them all. ok, 2 entries a week, times 700 students, that is 1400 entries. assuming each takes one minute 1400 minutes, or only about 23 hours of extra work a week! sure what a great idea! after i did that simple math and then suggested each teacher do an even share, meaning we all could do about 6 hours a week, the journal idea never came up again.
i have learnt one thing abotu Korean schools, everyone has great ideas, but never wants to be the ones to do the work. in their culture, they simply pass the work on to a junior. dont accept it. i know you already did, so maybe you could do something like "ask again how much money you were getting for all the extra work." and when they say none, look absolutely shocked and hurt and confused, and mutter how you dont understand why you are doing the extra work then. |
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anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:27 am Post subject: open class tribute |
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| If I were the OP (and I meant what I said about going home), I would climb up there in front of the whole friggin crowd, give my KT a grinder organ, pull out the banana and DANCE, DANCE, DANCE BABY!! After which I would make the rounds through the crowd with a tin cup or some such begging device... |
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plattwaz
Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Location: <Write something dumb here>
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:52 am Post subject: Re: At my wits end with my public school |
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I have no intention of staying with this program, and will go back to a hagwon. At least I am paid an hour for an hours work, and do not have to put up with crazy open classes that are nothing more than a show and a massive waste of time.
At a hagwon, I will not have to teach unpaid dog-and-pony show open classes, or prepare for them. I will not have to correct student newspaper articles on my own time.
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Uh, not sure what lucky hagwon you worked at before where you didn't have to do open classes, but FYI most hagwons also run wonderful dog-and-pony shows, too. Sometimes, if you're really lucky you'll get a summer AND winter show!
I'm not trying to say that what you're going through isn't crappy, but the reality is, most of what you are going through isn't a reflection on just your particular public school.
You've got a few options -- research your next school a bit more, by speaking with previous teachers and asking them very specific questions and not sign a contract simply because you need a job that starts soon, OR you can do what you said yourself and pack up and leave Korea. Cause Korea ain't gonna change. |
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Karabeara
Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Location: The right public school beats a university/unikwon job any day!
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: |
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The public school open classes require a lot of paperwork. Every word must be scripted (although it isn\'t exactly followed to a T, it must be scripted). Our script, most of which I have written, is 15 pages in length.
There are also two student presentations within our class which also had to be scripted.
Respectfully, you are comparing apples to oranges, Platz. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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I've been reading throught this thread and I have some advice.
Don't let anyone push you around. Teach your classes and prepare for them (if you like). At least know what it is you have to teach. These extra "doing a commercial" things are a colossal waste of time unless they learn some English out of it. I think that they might lose a lot of learning time from what you described. There are ways to do that sort of thing in a class or two. Of course one would have to guide them through it. Or even write some or all the stuff for them. As long as it's reviewed and explained properly. Making a big event out of it and hoping they can be creative in a language in which they realistically have no grap just creates a great big headache If you have to do them, do them quickly and move on. Don't worry about this student and that student not participating. If you do, you're just wasting more time and expending too much energy worrying and arguing, and...
It's not like you teach each of these classes any more than 3 hours a week. Someone at this school (not the OP) has their head up their ass. It's not like you teach one class all day and have time to *beep* around with a goddamn commerical. It's not fucking film school. It's English class. Probably 80 minutes a week or something ridiculous like that. If they're there all day, every day, then, yes, you can have Math, Science, Arts, Art, etc. It's good to have fun every once in a while though. But this sounds quite the opposite.
Anyway, don't let anyone push you around. You're the English Teacher. If they don't like it then they can fire you and you can eventually get your one month severance.
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Karabeara wrote: |
The public school open classes require a lot of paperwork. Every word must be scripted (although it isn\'t exactly followed to a T, it must be scripted). Our script, most of which I have written, is 15 pages in length.
There are also two student presentations within our class which also had to be scripted. |
I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. Are you working at a public elementary, middle, or high school? Were you hired through EPIK, GEPIK, a recruiter, or something/someone else? With this 15-page scripted lesson plan, it seems like they're trying to force you to do things "Korean-style." I have to admit that I've only observed one of those stuffy sessions and was basically shaking my head at all the useless energy that was expended over the paperwork alone. I just sat and observed and clapped at the end of the class. I think the student teacher did an okay job, but it all just seemed so phony to me. I have a few other friends who are working in public schools and I will ask them what is expected of them with regards to this open-class stuff. From a few other threads that I've seen on here, it seems like most of the foreign teachers aren't doing nearly the amount of work that you're expected to do with your class. I thought the whole thing was supposed to be some sort of cross-cultural experience for all parties involved. Isn't the ultimate goal of us being there supposed to be improvement of the students' English ability and perhaps the opportunity for the KTs to observe some alternate(Western) teaching methods? It almost appears like your school, and maybe educational district, is unashamedly trying to mould the FTs into some sort of Korean teacher? It's too bad if that's the case. Perhaps they'd be better off with those robots they were talking about recently or maybe they can get Hwahng Woo-suhk to develop an army of perfect English teachers to get the job done the way they think it should be done. Christ... I think I'm starting to understand your frustration a bit more now. |
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