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waggo
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"Maybe whites blame race for the crime six times as often as blacks? Anyway, I was trying to be generic about crime at this point. I don't think the raw figures can take us very far. "
That is the most ridiculous thing Ive read on this horrible thread. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:41 am Post subject: |
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"Maybe whites blame race for the crime six times as often as blacks? Anyway, I was trying to be generic about crime at this point. I don't think the raw figures can take us very far. "
That is the most ridiculous thing Ive read on this horrible thread. |
Sorry - next time I'm using deliberate overstatement in order to highlight a problem with the opposing case, I'll add a note to help you understand. Or maybe one of these ->  . Will that help? |
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bigverne
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| Why, exactly is it absurd? You don't have any evidence against it. |
And you don't have any evidence for it, so let's stick to the facts shall we? In fact, going on experience white people are far less likely to blame racism than minorities, which means the figures could be even more skewed. Minorities are responsible for racist incidents at over 6 times the rates for whites, and no amount of idle conjecture on your part can explain that fact away.
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| You yourself are claiming further down that when black people are attacked by whites it's automatically racism. |
No, I stated that when blacks are attacked by whites, it is automatically assumed, by the police and the media, that it is racist. When the situation is reversed, this is not the case.
Your link only shows the situation in Scotland. It does not compare crime rates in poor white areas with crime rates in poor black areas and does not support your statement that crime in poor white areas is higher than in black areas.
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| Is it racism that makes you fear the place, or media stereotyping perhaps? |
I know several people who lived there, who had been mugged and attacked and they hated the place. Let's not even talk about Willesden.
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| What I'm getting from this is that you're scared of poor black people. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. |
No, I'd just rather avoid certain areas in London because they are havens for crime. Invariably, they are black.
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| the fact remains that there is proof that ethnic minorities receive worse service from public and private sector bodies for reasons that cannot be justified. |
The problem with institutional racism is that it rests on the assumption that if certain institutions do not 'represent' the ethnic mix, they are, therefore 'institutionally racist'. This means that an institution could be deemed 'institutionally racist' because a lot of networking, and hence promotion possibilities occur in venues where alcohol is served. Therefore, this may negatively impact on muslims, and hence the institution is racist. Obviously, this is nonsense.
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| Maybe your search results would be better if you searched for his actual name - "Christopher Yates" |
Sorry, I forgot his name. You get 2 results for Christopher Yates and 52 for Anthony Walker. Why are you so desperate to use any means to explain this disparity?
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| The list of most wanted you yourself posted, with three of the men on there wanted in connection with the murder of PC Sharon Beshenivsky, shows just how "under the carpet" such incidents are being brushed. |
As I have already explained, murders of police officers are always news, and that issue has little to do with media coverage of racist crimes, as that was not a race attack. Perhaps though you would care to explain why 10 out of 12 on the most wanted list for murder are from ethnic minorities, and out of those, half are foreigners not born in the UK. The result of a lax immigration policy which has allowed thousands of criminals into the country?
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| You haven't demonstrated it at all - otherwise, explain why the people named above got less coverage than Christopher Yates. That white victim, although getting less coverage than one ethnic minority victim, got substantially more coverage than several others. The case proves nothing. |
Again, Mr Yates gets 2 stories on the BBC, Anthony Walker gets 52. Moreover, both killings and trials happened at around the same time, so why did one get more media coverage? Moreover, how could he get 'substantially' more coverage than the cases you mentioned, since there are only 2 stories relating to his murder. |
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Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Far-Right Leader: Riots Only the Start
Nov 09 2:08 PM US/Eastern
By JOHN LEICESTER
Associated Press Writer
PARIS
French far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen claimed Wednesday his National Front party has been "submerged" with prospective members and supportive e-mail since rioting erupted in heavily immigrant communities near Paris.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Le Pen described the recent violence as "just the start" of conflicts caused by "massive immigration from countries of the Third World that is threatening not just France but the whole continent."
Le Pen said people with immigrant backgrounds who commit crimes should be stripped of their French nationality and sent "back to their country of origin."
Reminded that the vast majority of youths taking part in the arson and rioting are French, born in France to immigrant parents, he said: "What does that mean? Are they French because they have a French identity card?"
French nationality should be given only to those who ask for it and "who are worthy of it," he said. "Those who got nationality automatically, who don't consider themselves French and who even say publicly that they consider France their enemy should not be treated as French."
Le Pen said he is convinced that what he described as a surge in support for his "zero immigration" platform would translate into votes at the ballot box for his National Front party.
French voters "are saying to themselves 'Le Pen was right. We were told that Le Pen is an extremist because he said that immigration problems would lead to disorder. The facts have shown that he was right,'" he said.
"We are receiving thousands of new members, tens of thousands of e- mails. All of our offices are submerged, we don't know how to respond because we don't have the staff to reply to the wave of people who, 95 percent of them, salute and approve our positions," he added.
Le Pen gave no specifics on the number of new members, but the party's top official for new memberships said the figure was closer to 1,000 and that they were requests to join.
Le Pen stunned many in France and shocked Europe by making it through to the second round of the last presidential elections in 2002. But he was soundly defeated in a runoff against President Jacques Chirac.
Le Pen said he is "more than ever" determined to run again in 2007.
"If there were presidential elections now, my chances would be increased tenfold," he said.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/09/D8DP4IE02.html |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| And you don't have any evidence for it, so let's stick to the facts shall we? In fact, going on experience white people are far less likely to blame racism than minorities, which means the figures could be even more skewed. |
I love it - telling me to stick to evidence and then going off with your own speculation!
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| Minorities are responsible for racist incidents at over 6 times the rates for whites, and no amount of idle conjecture on your part can explain that fact away. |
The facts are that the BCS found that twice as many whites as ethnic minorities claimed to have been victims of racially motivated crime, and that whites outnumber ethnic minorities 9:1 in the UK. Anything else - even your statement above - is going beyond the facts. We're dealing with what people will admit to and what people perceive.
I'll say it again - I don't believe the raw figures take us very far.
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| You yourself are claiming further down that when black people are attacked by whites it's automatically racism. |
No, I stated that when blacks are attacked by whites, it is automatically assumed, by the police and the media, that it is racist. When the situation is reversed, this is not the case. |
Go back to the IRR page and read how many cases are specifically noted by the police as not being racially motivated. Your claim is provably false.
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| Your link only shows the situation in Scotland. It does not compare crime rates in poor white areas with crime rates in poor black areas and does not support your statement that crime in poor white areas is higher than in black areas. |
My claim, albeit badly worded, was that crime in poor white areas was higher than in rich white areas - if you remember back, I was drawing a link between crime rates and inequality / poverty.
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| I know several people who lived there, who had been mugged and attacked and they hated the place. Let's not even talk about Willesden. |
I've only been to Willesden twice - it seemed unremarkable. I lived fifteen minutes walk to Peckham for two years - I sometimes walked to Queens Rd station rather than New Cross, and used to cycle through it a lot - and don't remember ever feeling threatened (other than by those damn bendy buses).
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| No, I'd just rather avoid certain areas in London because they are havens for crime. Invariably, they are black. |
But there are no havens of crime you'd avoid, populated by white people?
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| The problem with institutional racism is that it rests on the assumption that if certain institutions do not 'represent' the ethnic mix, they are, therefore 'institutionally racist'. |
It goes much, much deeper than that. It is seen - falsely in my view - that evening up the racial mix will make an institution less racist, but the acid test of institutional racism is how the institution treats the people that come into contact with it.
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| This means that an institution could be deemed 'institutionally racist' because a lot of networking, and hence promotion possibilities occur in venues where alcohol is served. Therefore, this may negatively impact on muslims, and hence the institution is racist. Obviously, this is nonsense. |
As a manager, I'd dispute that it's nonsense - although it's slightly more subtle than that. Holding a meeting somewhere alcohol is served (e.g. a hotel conference room) is a little different to only ever discussing promotions down the pub with the lads after work.
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| Sorry, I forgot his name. You get 2 results for Christopher Yates and 52 for Anthony Walker. Why are you so desperate to use any means to explain this disparity? |
I'm not. I'm trying to explain that there were more than two murders in the past few years, and that picking these two examples seemingly at random and then comparing them like it's proof of something is just ridiculous.
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| Perhaps though you would care to explain why 10 out of 12 on the most wanted list for murder are from ethnic minorities, and out of those, half are foreigners not born in the UK. The result of a lax immigration policy which has allowed thousands of criminals into the country? |
From five to thousands? Nice. Care to explain the mathematics behind that extrapolation?
As for the Most Wanted page itself, have you perhaps considered that it is likely to feature the people the police find it hardest to catch - those without established roots in this country, without family to watch and friends to interview?
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| Again, Mr Yates gets 2 stories on the BBC, Anthony Walker gets 52. Moreover, both killings and trials happened at around the same time, so why did one get more media coverage? Moreover, how could he get 'substantially' more coverage than the cases you mentioned, since there are only 2 stories relating to his murder. |
You're talking bobbins. They didn't happen at the same time at all, and the circumstances and development of the police cases took very different routes.
Anthony Walker was but a kid. He was killed with an axe in his head - hardly a usual method of killing - in August 2005, in a clearly racially motivated attack. There were clear similarities to Stephen Lawrence's murder. Suspects were arrested quickly and tried quickly, keeping the case in the news until today.
Christopher Yates was an adult. He was killed in November 2004 in a vicious attack by a gang who racially abused him. The news coverage, though not extensive, was nevertheless widespread. All major news sources covered it.
Kamal Raza Butt was also an adult. He was also killed in August 2005, like Anthony Walker. Like Christopher Yates, he was killed in a vicious attack by a gang who racially abused him. The news coverage... well, there wasn't any. Try searching for his name on BBC News. But wait, he was an ethnic minority man killed by whites! Kind of utterly disproves your theory, I think. Why compare Christopher with Anthony, but not with Kamal? Or Quadir? Or Bapishankar - who was killed in May 2004, closer to Christopher's attack than Anthony's was?
From Google News:
Results 1 - 10 of about 637 for anthony walker murder
Results 1 - 10 of about 31 for christopher yates murder
Your search - kamal raza butt murder - did not match any documents.
Your search - quadir ahmed murder - did not match any documents.
Your search - bapishankar kathirgamamathan murder - did not match any documents. |
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bigverne
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| From five to thousands? Nice. Care to explain the mathematics behind that extrapolation? |
That 'most wanted' is just the tip of the iceberg. We haven't even begun to talk about the Albanian pimps (a number of whom were jailed this week), Kurdish gang rapists, Yardies, Romanian gypsies and other foreigners who have enriched our island. You only need look at Crimewatch, or open any local London newspaper to see that certain sections of society are responsible for a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. The point is that they should not have been let into the country in the first place.
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| As for the Most Wanted page itself, have you perhaps considered that it is likely to feature the people the police find it hardest to catch - those without established roots in this country, without family to watch and friends to interview? |
That is probably all true. However, it begs the question as to why we have let so many undesirables into the country. Of course, we can't send them back. That would be inhumane. Meanwhile, everyday London becomes more of a third world hell hole. |
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Doutdes
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| He's not - both figures come from the BCS, and the BCS calculates the figure by explicitly asking the victim whether the crime was racially motivated or not. |
Mea Culpa. I had assumed there was a difference by the titles of the reports. I was lazy and didn't look for the criteria myself. |
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Gwangjuboy
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| Your search - kamal raza butt murder - did not match any documents. |
On a general google search though I get 844 hits for typing Kamal raza butt murder." |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Your search - kamal raza butt murder - did not match any documents. |
On a general google search though I get 844 hits for typing Kamal raza butt murder." |
General google search:
106 for "kamal raza butt" murder and 159 for "kamal butt" murder (there are lots of false hits in that 844... "What does Kareena think about her butt being called sexy? Boyfriend cheated Esha? Hero No. 1 with Don No. ... Pakistan rejected tourist visa to Raza Murad! ...". Hmm.)
576 for "christopher yates" murder
Seems like a substantial difference to me. Though lots of the sources for both are blogs which skew the results somewhat. |
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bigverne
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Here is evidence from the Home Office, although widely ignored by the media, that the majority of racially motivated murders, are black on white, and not the other way round, as you would expect. Quite astonishing, in a country that is over 90% white.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/s95race04.pdf
Over this three-year period (2001/2, 2002/3 and 2003/4), the police reported to the Home Office 22 homicides where there was a known racial motivation. Twelve victims were White, 4 Asian, 3 Black and 3 of 'Other' ethnic origin. There were no current suspects identified for 5 of these victims, 3 of who were White, 1 Black and 1 'Other'.
So, out of the 22 murders with a known racial motivation, over half were White. These figures seem to back up the BCS figures showing that over half of the victims of racial incidents were white. Hypnotist attempted to explain this away by saying that perhaps whites were 6 times more likely to blame racism than minorities. It's a little harder to explain away dead bodies now isn't it?
10% of the population responsible for over 65% of racial incidents. 10% of the population responsible for 60% of racially motivated murders. You can't get much more conclusive than that. |
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hypnotist
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| So, out of the 22 murders with a known racial motivation, over half were White. These figures seem to back up the BCS figures showing that over half of the victims of racial incidents were white. Hypnotist attempted to explain this away by saying that perhaps whites were 6 times more likely to blame racism than minorities. It's a little harder to explain away dead bodies now isn't it? |
22 is an extraordinarily low number to start basing trends on. What I found more compelling was:
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| Ninety-two per cent of White victims were killed by suspects from the same ethnic group. The corresponding proportions, i.e. victims and suspects being from the same ethnic group, were lower for Asian people (66%) and Black people (56%). |
Now, one has to point out that a) there are a lot more whites than blacks / asians in the UK, and b) this includes murders for which there was no clear racial motivation - but all the same. You can imagine how ethnic minorities might interpret these figures.
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| 10% of the population responsible for over 65% of racial incidents. 10% of the population responsible for 60% of racially motivated murders. You can't get much more conclusive than that. |
Put it the other way round. 10% of the population suffer 40% of racially motivated murders. You can't get much more conclusive than that, either. |
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bigverne
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| 10% of the population suffer 40% of racially motivated murders. You can't get much more conclusive than that, either. |
But, you would expect, if we are all equally racist, that 10% of the population would suffer around 90% of the racially motivated killings.
The impression that we are given in the media is that the overwhelming majority of racist attacks are against minorities, when the opposite is in fact true.
Earlier in this debate you tried to explain away the fact that 65% of racially motivated crimes were committed against whites by making a flippant comment about whites reporting racist incidents 6 times as often.
How do you explain the fact that 10% of the population are committing 60% of the racially motivated murders? |
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hypnotist
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| 10% of the population suffer 40% of racially motivated murders. You can't get much more conclusive than that, either. |
But, you would expect, if we are all equally racist, that 10% of the population would suffer around 90% of the racially motivated killings. |
Still, the ethnic minority community suffers more than the white community in terms of racist murders (although I still believe the numbers are far too low to be statistically significant).
If a community was suffering 90% of racially motivated killings, I'd say you'd find enough angry people to even that number up. Perhaps where we are now is an equilibrium of sorts...
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| The impression that we are given in the media is that the overwhelming majority of racist attacks are against minorities, when the opposite is in fact true. |
The impression in the media is also that the UK takes a huge proportion of the world's refugees. The media reports stories that people will buy (in all senses of the word).
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| Earlier in this debate you tried to explain away the fact that 65% of racially motivated crimes were committed against whites by making a flippant comment about whites reporting racist incidents 6 times as often. |
Actually, you completely misunderstood me, and appear to continue to do so. I wasn't explaining anything away. I was pointing out that such a statement was no less supported by the available evidence than the statements you were coming out with.
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| How do you explain the fact that 10% of the population are committing 60% of the racially motivated murders? |
I already have - the resentment caused by that 10% of the population suffering 40% of the racially motivated murders. It's a vicious cycle that will exist as long as there are racist murders.
Why do you continue to insist the ethnic minority communities are more racist without being able to admit that those communities also suffer more from racism? And why can't you admit that the two problems are intrinsically linked? |
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bigverne
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| Perhaps where we are now is an equilibrium of sorts... |
Right, so ethnic minorities committing grossly disproportionate amounts of racist crime represents an 'equilibrium'.
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| The impression in the media is also that the UK takes a huge proportion of the world's refugees. |
Why are you throwing this red herring into the debate? So, you are unhappy with the media distortion of the asylum debate. Do you have the same opinion of the media coverage of race crime?
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| The media reports stories that people will buy |
Not necessarily. In the case of terrestrial TV, they present the news and you have little choice but to watch. They betray their own liberal biases time and time again, although it is sometimes hard to sustain, particularly when facts rear their ugly head.
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| I already have - the resentment caused by that 10% of the population suffering 40% of the racially motivated murders. It's a vicious cycle that will exist as long as there are racist murders. |
And there you have it. Whereas White racists kill Blacks and Asians because they are ignorant White scum, minorities do it because of years of 'White oppression'. Moreover, this is a ridiculous argument. I could understand it if the family of a murdered lad went out to kill his racist killer, but that rarely happens. Are racist murders of whites really caused by the fact that 10% of the population suffer from 40% of the racist murders? Is that what the killers of Kriss Donald were thinking? Did they say to themselves, 'Ahmed, minorities suffer from 40% of the racist killings, yet we make up only 10% of the population. Let's go kill a white boy to even things out!'
Of course, you don't have any evidence for this point of view, just like I don't have any evidence for my theory that years of media bias and liberal education have caused such racism in minority communities.
The only facts we have are that minorities commit a grossly disproportionate amount of race crime and murder, and that this is almost never reflected in the media.
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| Why do you continue to insist the ethnic minority communities are more racist without being able to admit that those communities also suffer more from racism? |
The evidence shows that ethnic minorities communities are, on the whole, more racist. The evidence is incontrovertible. Whether the fact that they suffer more from racism is an explanation for the grossly disproportionate number of race crimes committed by ethnic minorities is simply conjecture, but it's a good explanation for those committed to leftist multicultural dogma. I know it must be difficult, even in the face of such facts, to drop such cherished ideals. However, speaking to many people this week, and judging by the views expressed on the radio and on internet forums, people are beginning to wake up to such hypocrisy, and they are angry at such bias. The differing treatment of Anthony Walker and Christopher Yates has revealed to many the double standards at work in the media and the judiciary. The ironic thing is that when liberals such as yourselves engage in such double standards you act as perfect recruiting sargeants for the BNP, and your actions help them increase their popularity and credibility. Sad that you are too blind to see that. |
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hypnotist
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| Right, so ethnic minorities committing grossly disproportionate amounts of racist crime represents an 'equilibrium'. |
Committing disproportionate amounts of racist crime whilst suffering disproportionate amounts of racist crime. Is it really that hard to see what this 'victim mentality' you speak of is based on, when these minorities are far, far more likely to suffer from racism than you or I?
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| The impression in the media is also that the UK takes a huge proportion of the world's refugees. |
Why are you throwing this red herring into the debate? So, you are unhappy with the media distortion of the asylum debate. Do you have the same opinion of the media coverage of race crime? |
Two reasons. One - yes, I'm unhappy with media coverage of the asylum debate (and yes, I wish the media coverage of race crime was more honest - although that doesn't mean I support the message you want it to give...)
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| Not necessarily. In the case of terrestrial TV, they present the news and you have little choice but to watch. They betray their own liberal biases time and time again, although it is sometimes hard to sustain, particularly when facts rear their ugly head. |
... and two, because I knew you'd bring up so-called "liberal bias" sooner or later. I was pointing out a case where the bias is distinctly NOT liberal. Facts are skewed in all directions, according to what makes the best story.
Perhaps your TV doesn't have a remote control, but I'm sure it has an 'off' button. When in the UK, I rarely watch TV news bulletins (I do watch News 24 but more for the reportage and debates).
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| I already have - the resentment caused by that 10% of the population suffering 40% of the racially motivated murders. It's a vicious cycle that will exist as long as there are racist murders. |
And there you have it. Whereas White racists kill Blacks and Asians because they are ignorant White scum, minorities do it because of years of 'White oppression'. |
I didn't say a single word about why white racists kill blacks and asians, my dear. And I wasn't invoking any historical record in my reasoning either. So let's get rid of that particular strawman right now.
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| Moreover, this is a ridiculous argument. |
Yes, it is, isn't it? That's why it's not the argument I was making...
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| I could understand it if the family of a murdered lad went out to kill his racist killer, but that rarely happens. |
Let me remind you how many murders we're talking about - 22 over three years. Racially-motivated murder itself rarely happens.
I don't see why, as an argument, it's so hard to understand. Ethnic minorities suffer racism far more often than whites. That stokes anger. That makes them more likely to respond with violence. Do I think it's right, or an excuse? No - there's never any excuse to assault or kill someone. Nevertheless, were there to be less racism directed at these communities, I believe you'd find fewer racist individuals inside said communities. Do you disagree? If so, why?
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| Are racist murders of whites really caused by the fact that 10% of the population suffer from 40% of the racist murders? Is that what the killers of Kriss Donald were thinking? Did they say to themselves, 'Ahmed, minorities suffer from 40% of the racist killings, yet we make up only 10% of the population. Let's go kill a white boy to even things out!' |
Perhaps you have no idea of the background to the Kriss Donald case...
The murder - in which Kriss was knifed 13 times - occurred after another Asian man was hit on the head by a bottle outside a club the previous night, the trial heard. [...] Giving evidence, Zahid Mohammed told the court that he was part of a group which had set out in a car to find a young, white male who fitted the description of someone who had carried out the bottle attack the previous evening.
"Finding a white boy to even things out" was exactly what they were doing. Again, is this an excuse for their actions? Of course not. But it does rather prove my point, nonetheless. Would they have chosen Kriss for abduction and murder had that asian guy not been bottled?
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| Of course, you don't have any evidence for this point of view, just like I don't have any evidence for my theory that years of media bias and liberal education have caused such racism in minority communities. |
See above - I do have background supporting evidence.
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| The only facts we have are that minorities commit a grossly disproportionate amount of race crime and murder, and that this is almost never reflected in the media. |
... and that minorities suffer a grossly disproportionate amount of race crime and murder too. Is this really so difficult for you to admit that you keep ignoring it?
The media taboo that makes it difficult to call non-whites racist is disgusting, I will agree. Then again, most of the reports of Kriss's death and his murderer's trial I've read stated quite clearly "Scotland's first race hate murder" or something similar. (I'm not even sure that's true, in fact, but anyway...)
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| Why do you continue to insist the ethnic minority communities are more racist without being able to admit that those communities also suffer more from racism? |
The evidence shows that ethnic minorities communities are, on the whole, more racist. The evidence is incontrovertible. Whether the fact that they suffer more from racism is an explanation for the grossly disproportionate number of race crimes committed by ethnic minorities is simply conjecture, but it's a good explanation for those committed to leftist multicultural dogma. |
The evidence shows that ethnic minorities communities do, on the whole, suffer more from racism. The evidence is incontrovertible. Whether the fact that they perpetrate more racist attacks is a justification for the grossly disproportionate number of race crimes suffered by ethnic minorities is simply conjecture, but it's a good explanation for those committed to rightist nationalist dogma.
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| I know it must be difficult, even in the face of such facts, to drop such cherished ideals. However, speaking to many people this week, and judging by the views expressed on the radio and on internet forums, people are beginning to wake up to such hypocrisy, and they are angry at such bias. |
I've already admitted that there is (a little) bias in the media reporting. And yet, for whites to stand up and claim "we suffer more from racism" is stupid and not at all supported by the facts. Perhaps minorities are more racist, and perhaps that would be true even if they didn't suffer from the levels of racism that they do - though I doubt it. But to claim that whites somehow have it worse is frankly ridiculous.
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| The differing treatment of Anthony Walker and Christopher Yates has revealed to many the double standards at work in the media and the judiciary. The ironic thing is that when liberals such as yourselves engage in such double standards you act as perfect recruiting sargeants for the BNP, and your actions help them increase their popularity and credibility. Sad that you are too blind to see that. |
The recruiting officers are you and your ilk who seek to perpetuate the myth that the white man is somehow suffering far more than the minorities who get society's attention. It's utter bollocks. I've already shown - proven - how the whole Anthony Walker and Christopher Yates thing is a crock of shite. Yet you cling to it as if it's the holy grail proving how racist against whites the media is! You seek to write off the coverage given to the murdered WPC "because she was a police officer" and yet you refuse to do the same for Anthony Walker, despite the fact he was a child. The exact same thing applies. Child victims ALWAYS get more coverage than adult victims. Look at Holly and Jessica, or Billy Jo.
It is you, Sir, who works to increase the credibility of the BNP. You stand here and argue the same points they argue. You agree with their analyses. You argue in favour of the same changes they do. You give far more succour to that disgusting group of people than I do. Open your eyes. |
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