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rok_the-boat



Joined: 24 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Military Slaves Reply with quote

Join the military - see the world ?

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200512/06/200512062140436409900090109011.html

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Defense Minister Yoon Kwang-ung has ordered military commanders to stop using subordinates for private purposes. The usage of military vehicles during holidays and leaves has also been forbidden, while the number of soldiers that can be assigned to a commander's official residences has been limited.
Since the birth of the military, various methods of "privatizing" military personnel have existed. Soldiers doing private petty jobs for commanders at their official residences is not even considered a big deal. They also had to follow the orders of the commander's family members or wife. Privately tutoring the children of commanders or serving as a ball boy for commanders' tennis match or golf round are also some of the tasks given to soldiers.
Although these bad habits are not as commonplace as they used to be, there are still some left under the pretext of custom. Recently, a soldier was beaten by a commander for not taking good care of his anchovies. This is also an example of these bad habits.
In terms of following orders from the top, the military is the place where a chain of command is most visible. This relationship between superiors and subordinates is for work and combat, but one's rank does not tell much about one's character. A superior-subordinate relationship is not equal to that of a master and his servant. It's a relationship between colleagues who have an equal social status and who fight against an enemy alongside one another. They are comrades, so to speak. The combat power of the military depends on the soldiers' morale. It's only natural for a soldier who is treated like a human being to be more committed in combat and at work than a soldier who is treated like a slave. This is especially true when a commander is respected by his soldiers �� the rank and file become one.
The privatization of soldiers is proof that commanders have not gotten rid of habits that stem from old pre-modern Japanese influence. The former commander of the U.S. forces stationed in Korea once said, "If you take good care of your subordinates, your subordinates will take good care of you." This is a notion that our commanders need to take to heart. Soldiers serve for a certain period and return to society. If they return with negative feelings about military that still runs according to old habits, distrust toward the military will run high.
Let's hope that the defense minister's orders don't end up being anti-climactic.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the list of abuses didn't even mention sexual abuse.
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Military Slaves Reply with quote

rok_the-boat wrote:

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The privatization of soldiers is proof that commanders have not gotten rid of habits that stem from old pre-modern Japanese influence.


Uh huh.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
And the list of abuses didn't even mention sexual abuse.

Sexual abuse in the military? No kidding eh?

Hmmmmm ... but they all seem so macho.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are talking about the Korean military here, right?

"Let's see... Sit here with my thumb up my ass, or fetch tennis balls..."

What else, really, do these guys have to do?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No kidding eh?


No kidding.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: Military Slaves Reply with quote

Leslie Cheswyck wrote:
rok_the-boat wrote:

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The privatization of soldiers is proof that commanders have not gotten rid of habits that stem from old pre-modern Japanese influence.


Uh huh.


Yeah, I also find it hard to believe that the abuse of subordinates within the ranks didn't exist before the occupation. In any case, the Japanese shouldn't be used as scapegoats for abuses commited in 2005, 60 years after the liberation.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the Japanese shouldn't be used as scapegoats for abuses


You are aware, aren't you, that teachers didn't use or NEED 'love sticks' and that parents didn't beat their kids before the occupation?

When my friends bring up this kind of excuse I like to mention the old saying, "The devil made me do it". Then mention that, not being Christian, they blame the Japanese.
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