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davester13
Joined: 07 Nov 2005
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: Indulge me, if you will: Big city or small town in Korea? |
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At the risk of potentially rehashing a highly analyzed topic, I feel the need to broach the subject of living in big-city and small-town Korea.
I have been vacillating for a while now between moving to Seoul and enjoying its amenities and moving to some small Korean town in the mountains or near the beach (or both) and enjoying a more relaxed lifestyle. While the differences between these options are fairly obvious, and while opinions about which is better stem from personal preference, I wouldn't mind reading arguments in support of one or the other. In the event it might prove relevant to this topic, I will tell you that I value a natural setting (especially mountains), outdoor recreational activities such as hiking, and a more relaxed lifestyle over arts & entertainment, though I wonder about the social life---especially the English-speaking variety----in a small town.
More important, please tell me about your positive experiences---both working and living---in small-town Korea. Which towns are the most appealing to you in terms of the language institutes & working situations, surrounding nature, the people, and access to some big-city elements (perhaps in a nearby city), such as entertainment venues, Western restaurants, etc.? Thanks in advance. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:39 am Post subject: |
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I debated the same thing before coming -- I could have written the same post back when.
I decided my affinities had more to do with living relaxed & nearer to nature than having access to western stuff. As it turns out you can find sufficient familiar goods most anywhere, friends too.
Youre never too far from a city for that urban fix. But I sure enjoy having somewhere calm to head home to after. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:56 am Post subject: |
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I live in a quiet part of Seoul with little traffic, and it's just fine. It's mildly close to everywhere I need to go.
Last year, I was in the northern tip of Suwon, near Uijungbu, and there were some pretty quiet areas around there.
Just because it's close to Seoul doesn't mean it's too rushed. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Indulge me, if you will: Big city or small town in Korea |
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davester13 wrote: |
At the risk of potentially rehashing a highly analyzed topic, I feel the need to broach the subject of living in big-city and small-town Korea.
I have been vacillating for a while now between moving to Seoul and enjoying its amenities and moving to some small Korean town in the mountains or near the beach (or both) and enjoying a more relaxed lifestyle. While the differences between these options are fairly obvious, and while opinions about which is better stem from personal preference, I wouldn't mind reading arguments in support of one or the other. In the event it might prove relevant to this topic, I will tell you that I value a natural setting (especially mountains), outdoor recreational activities such as hiking, and a more relaxed lifestyle over arts & entertainment, though I wonder about the social life---especially the English-speaking variety----in a small town.
More important, please tell me about your positive experiences---both working and living---in small-town Korea. Which towns are the most appealing to you in terms of the language institutes & working situations, surrounding nature, the people, and access to some big-city elements (perhaps in a nearby city), such as entertainment venues, Western restaurants, etc.? Thanks in advance. |
Well, I currently live in a small city. It isn't rural by any means, but it's very small. Here's a list for you to get an idea of my life here.
- The downtown is literally one intersection.
- Meeting people has proved to be nearly impossible. I've gone to bars and sat waiting for people to approach me. That doesn't happen. So once my Korean got better, I tried approaching people my age to see if I could hang out. They just stare at me like I'm from outer space, and maybe the most drunk guy of the group will make everyone laugh by saying "Hello" and "Hi my name is Won Bin" to me.
- Meeting girls is very difficult, for the same reasons. The social pressure of a) talking to a guy in public and b) talking to a foreign guy makes every conversation ridiculously awkward. Also, most girls I talk to are visibly frightened when I say hello.
- Everywhere I go, people stare at me. Not a day goes by that I don't get reminded that I'm a foreigner. The attention is fun, usually.
- If I'm ever in a confined place (elevator, small restaurant, small store, same path on a sidewalk), the locals sharing the space with me nearly always become visibly uncomfortable and nervous. I've seen people physically react (like almost fall down or trip) when they look over and see me. The most memorable incident was when I girl rounded the corner at a PC Bang, saw me sitting there, and let out a horrible scream, while dropping the things she was holding.
- When I ride the bus, the empty seat next to me is always the last to be filled, and sometimes people will stand rather than sit by me. I saw an old guy once trying to decide between sitting next to me or a really hot 20ish girl. With great reluctance, he finally sat next to the girl. That kind of thing really makes me feel sad and angry.
- When I take the train to Seoul, there's about a 60% chance that I won't have a seat, even if I buy the tickets in advance. Not having a seat means you have some choices: stand for two hours, rotate between squatting and standing, squeeze in behind the back seats of a car and the wall, or be a seat squatter (sit in empty seats and stand at each stop).
- I know one person here who speaks English.
- There used to be a Canadian couple living here, but they left. I'm the only English speaking foreigner, that I know of, anway.
- Amenities are tough to find, if not impossible. The local stores just started carrying paper towels and napkins about 3 months ago. Dental floss is sold only at the pharmacy, which has exactly one option. The only carry-out type of food is either Lotteria (fast food) or pizza. The bakeries have shite selections. No shoe store carries my size. Etc.
- All delivery restaurants except pizza are closed by the time I finish work.
- People flip out on me pretty regularly if I don't understand what they're saying.
I know this sounds bad, and it is. I hate it here. However, it may just be this particular town I'm in. I'm sure other people have enjoyed their experiences in small towns.
About hiking, I went one time and never went again. It's funny, because most of the locals that I saw were all decked out in hiking boots and relevant hiking attire, but there was no hiking going on. It was simply an uphill walk along a paved road to the top, then back down. I thought it was boring, but again, I'm sure some people like it.
Personally, I can't wait to move to Seoul next year. I look forward to being able to meet people, to being ignored on the street, to not being a freak act everywhere I go.
Good luck.
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Sounds good. Come to Seoul and hang out next year. I know you're working hard on the language so once this period of trial is over it'll be smooth sailing from then on.
Which town is this you're in though? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:30 am Post subject: |
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My school district manages to scrounge together 118 boys. This is from several myeon (the rural equivalent of a dong). We do have a flashing yellow light. No stop lights, though.
There are some good things. It is quiet. Very quiet. There seems to be one of every kind of shop and even a couple of some. For example there are two blanket shops. Surprisingly, the dentist speaks good English. There is no staring. However, the day I arrived I bought a scooter and within 30 minutes or so, the BBQ chicken man on the other side of town knew 'the way-gookin' had bought a scooter.
I find the same mix of friendly and unfriendly people I've found everywhere. The LG man and the apartment manager are jerks. The bakery lady, the flower shop lady and the Pelicana chicken restaurant lady are very friendly. So are the glasses shop man, the the dentist, the scooter man and the book store lady. By friendly, I mean they smile and are helpful when I come in. I've discovered three adults who speak English in town. Friendly when I see them, but no indication of friendship.
No foreign food in town. Not much in the two slightly larger towns nearby. By not much, I mean they do have peanut butter, lemon juice, raspberry jelly, Tabasco sauce and Heinz Chili Sauce.
I think if you want to live in a town this small, you should seriously consider buying a car. The bus service is excellent, up to 9 pm. I can get to almost any other town around by bus, but I have to be on the bus for home by 9.
The teachers at my school are very warm and friendly, but none of them live here. They head home, so there is no one to socialize with in the evenings. There are no English channels on TV, so I don't bother to hook it up. There are no video rental shops either. I buy DVDs online.
I don't find this any different than what I expected. I grew up in an even smaller town, so I know how hard it is to break in to a small town. Add the language difference and it is almost impossible.
All of Korea is mountainous and there are parks everywhere. The sea is not too far from anywhere. Unless you really want to spend a year getting to know yourself, I suggest you go to a small city...say, 100,000 people or so. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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BTW I remember Captain Kirk talking about how sh*tty his experience was in a small town until he bought himself a motorcycle and that the difference was like night and day. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Done the small town Korea thang and wouldn't recommend it...unless you like isolation, being treated like a circus animal(although that happens everywhere in Korea) and having to take trips to Seoul in order to survive the K-small town experience.... |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Yep. Small town life can suck, especially in Korea but even in Japan as well. I remember the first place I ever worked at in Japan hired a teacher that they knew had problems with depression and sent him to a small town to live - about two or three months later he ended up hanging himself in his apartment. Never met the guy as that was about a month before I arrived but they were still a bit shaken up when I was first there. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Teheranno
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Live in Seoul, but try to make your life as simple as possible while there. For example, you don't want an hour commute in the morning. There are plenty of parks in the city if you need some fresh air and even hiking in the northern parts. Take weekend trips to get out of the city ... plenty of rural places not far away. Use you vacations to get out of the country -- you will need a break. Westerners stand out enough in Seoul; why put your life under even more of a microscope living in nowhereville? |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Qinella~ a hearty amen! Been there; done that. I feel for you. Being the freak show sucks. Seoul is an awesome city to live in. I wouldn't live outside of Seoul, in Korea. This place rocks! |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: |
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go with the small town. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:47 am Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote: |
Sounds good. Come to Seoul and hang out next year. I know you're working hard on the language so once this period of trial is over it'll be smooth sailing from then on.
Which town is this you're in though? |
Me? I'm in Shintanjin, just north of Daejeon.  |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:42 am Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote: |
Yep. Small town life can suck, especially in Korea but even in Japan as well. I remember the first place I ever worked at in Japan hired a teacher that they knew had problems with depression and sent him to a small town to live - about two or three months later he ended up hanging himself in his apartment. Never met the guy as that was about a month before I arrived but they were still a bit shaken up when I was first there. |
Damn... that struck a nerve. Holy crap!
Scary...
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I don't function too well, well, period. Stick me in the sticks without anyone to talk to at least sometimes, without any reminder of the world outside, such as some English language TV/movies or some western goods or foods now and then, have me gawked at like a freak for being white.....
could be bad.
I don't intend to stray far from Seoul.... |
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davester13
Joined: 07 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for your responses so far. One of you suggested that if I decide to live in small city, that I choose one with a population of at least 100,000 or so. And based on the horror stories I've received from some of you about small-town living, it sounds like good advice. I'm seriously considering either Sokcho or Gangneung; I've heard good things about them.
Others of you have suggested melding the two together into a "best-of-both-worlds" scenario. Something akin to suburban living, I imagine. If I were to live in a suburb of Seoul or some small city outside of it, where would you recommend I live? Where could I enjoy a relatively peaceful lifestyle with relatively close proximity to parks and mountains yet still have access to big-city attractions? |
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