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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:56 am Post subject: Get out of Iraq and admit defeat before more of this happens |
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Is this a part of the reason why some people are so desperate for Bush to pull out and admit defeat now? Citizens turning in insurgents?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178273,00.html |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: |
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nice leap of logic there.
Ever seen the movie Traffic? Know much about the war on drugs?  |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Is this a part of the reason why some people are so desperate for Bush to pull out and admit defeat now? |
Uhh, no. This, however, IS part of the reason:
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents killed four American soldiers in separate attacks Saturday as violence mounted five days ahead of national elections. U.S. officials announced the release of 238 detainees but said the move was unrelated to demands by kidnappers of four Christian peace activists to free all prisoners.
Two of the soldiers were killed by small arms fire southwest of the capital, the U.S. command said. The others died in a roadside bombing in Baghdad's Sunni neighborhood of Azamiyah and by small arms fire north of the city, according to the command.
The U.S. military also said an American soldier was killed and 11 others wounded Friday in a suicide car bombing in the Abu Ghraib district of western Baghdad. That brought to at least 2,140 the number of U.S. military members who have died since the war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051211/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Get out of Iraq and admit defeat before more of this hap |
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Is this supposed to insinuate people want Bush to leave before the results start looking *good* for him? That's bizarre. Why? They will never look good for him because the war was absolutely unnecessary.
No matter how it turns out in the long-term, the damage done to the US economy alone, in the sort-, long- and very long-terms, is enough to end up with this war being considered a huge mistake. Add in the lost opportunities with Al Queda, the minimum 30k Iraqi *civilians* killed, the damage to Iraq's infrastructure, the economic looting by US companies, et. al...
Sorry, don't need any excuses for getting the hell out. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Get out of Iraq and admit defeat before more of this hap |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Col. Ted Westhusing suicide or Murdered?
Nov 27 2005
The Army would conclude that he committed suicide with his service pistol. At the time, he was the highest-ranking officer to die in Iraq.
The Army closed its case. But the questions surrounding Westhusing's death continue.
"He was sick of money-grubbing contractors," the official recounted. Westhusing said that "he had not come over to Iraq for this."
Westhusing's family and friends are troubled that he died at Camp Dublin, where he was without a bodyguard, surrounded by the same contractors he suspected of wrongdoing. They wonder why the manager who discovered Westhusing's body and picked up his weapon was not tested for gunpowder residue.
A Journey That Ended in Anguish
By T. Christian Miller
The Los Angeles Times
Sunday 27 November 2005
Col. Ted Westhusing, a military ethicist who volunteered to go to Iraq, was upset by what he saw. His apparent suicide raises questions. "War is the hardest place to make moral judgments." Washington - One hot, dusty day in June, Col. Ted Westhusing was found dead in a trailer at a military base near the Baghdad airport, a single gunshot wound to the head.
The Army would conclude that he committed suicide with his service pistol. At the time, he was the highest-ranking officer to die in Iraq.
The Army closed its case. But the questions surrounding Westhusing's death continue.
Westhusing, 44, was no ordinary officer. He was one of the Army's leading scholars of military ethics, a full professor at West Point who volunteered to serve in Iraq to be able to better teach his students. He had a doctorate in philosophy; his dissertation was an extended meditation on the meaning of honor.
So it was only natural that Westhusing acted when he learned of possible corruption by U.S. contractors in Iraq. A few weeks before he died, Westhusing received an anonymous complaint that a private security company he oversaw had cheated the U.S. government and committed human rights violations. Westhusing confronted the contractor and reported the concerns to superiors, who launched an investigation.
In e-mails to his family, Westhusing seemed especially upset by one conclusion he had reached: that traditional military values such as duty, honor and country had been replaced by profit motives in Iraq, where the U.S. had come to rely heavily on contractors for jobs once done by the military.
His death stunned all who knew him. Colleagues and commanders wondered whether they had missed signs of depression. He had been losing weight and not sleeping well.
But only a day before his death, Westhusing won praise from a senior officer for his progress in training Iraqi police.
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Family: Ala. Marine Fatally Shot in Sleep
Tue Dec 20, 4:58 PM ET
CULLMAN, Ala. - A Marine in Iraq was shot in the back of the head and killed while sleeping in his barracks, his family said it was told by the military. The Pentagon said only that the Marine died of a "non-hostile" gunshot wound
The mother of Cpl. Adam R. Fales, 21, of Cullman, said she was frustrated in her attempts to learn more about the circumstances of Friday's shooting in Fallujah, and to bring his body home soon.
"The Marines came out to my house Saturday morning and told me my son was shot in the back of his head in his secure barracks," Glenda Fales said Tuesday in a telephone interview. "They said it was under investigation and they won't tell us anything else. We don't know if it was accidental or if somebody shot him on purpose."
The Defense Department confirmed that the Marine from Alabama was killed by a "non-hostile" gunshot in Iraq, but said the death remained under investigation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/marine_killed;_ylt=Avudg37lBsChepIc3NX0n4ADW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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