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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:13 pm    Post subject: George W. Bush... Reply with quote

First off, I am an American, love my country, and if need be, would defend it if I had to.

However, in leu of recent readings, I must say that I cannot wait until the next election. In his first running for the Presidency, I was all for him. I am a republican (in that I feel WE, the people, should have control of our money, control over what doctor's we go to, etc.), but Bush has really given The States a bad rap. (especially, recently, with the KYOTO treaty).

Although a republican and a capitalist, I am ashamed of what he has done in the past few years. I am appauled that he would considered the "bottom dollar" over the environment; dumbfounded as to how I couldn't see this before. My only hope is that the next person in office well make every God giving effort to correct the atrocities Bush has put forth.

Opinions, remarks?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The sad and frustrating reality is that for the rest of your life when you are in a conversation with a foreigner, you will have Bush thrown in your face. It doesn't matter what your personal views are now or in the future. You will always be guilty of being an American because it fits their agenda. To get to know your views would require analytical thinking and that does not fit the agenda.
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hypnotist



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

The sad and frustrating reality is that for the rest of your life when you are in a conversation with a foreigner, you will have Bush thrown in your face. It doesn't matter what your personal views are now or in the future. You will always be guilty of being an American because it fits their agenda. To get to know your views would require analytical thinking and that does not fit the agenda.


Please remember that the sad and frustrating reality is that for the last five years, and the next three, we foreigners are having Bush thrown in our face thanks to the voting decisions of Americans. If you think it's frustrating getting bitched at for Bush being El Prez when you voted for the other guy, try living with the effects of Bush when you had no say in it whatsoever.

However, as long as you elect someone better next time (or if, God forbid, you elect someone worse) I don't think Bush will continue to be an issue outside the US for very long after the next election.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta boy, you are doing the same thing you are complaining about (it's actually pretty funny the hypocricy in that post). If you don't want the rest of the world generalizing Americans as soon as they figure out you are American (which shouldn't be done) then don't generalize all the other foreigners as always going to do that.
I never ask "where are you from?" to people I just met. I try to find out if they are cool or jerks without any stupid stereotypes getting in the way.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post Ya-ta.

It seems to me that W. Bush is almost totally on the defensive these days, and is increasingly viewed as a lame duck president. And I'm pretty happy with this trend.

This notwithstanding, the international community continues to scapegoat the guy for all of their problems, past and present. It's absurd. Many seem to ascribe nearly unlimited powers to the White House.

I've been in disagreement with the Iraqi War from its beginnings, for example. Still, neither Iraq nor the Middle East at large was a happy, peaceful place before W. Bush "ruined their lives."

And Hypnotist seems to forget that Great Britain and Europe had their own fair share of self-inflicted issues and problems before W. Bush was elected over here and "imposed" onto all of those civilized people who have historically got on so well with each other.

Same goes for Latin America and nearly anywhere else in the world for that matter.

I'll cite Eric Clapton's wise words: "Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself." He's a British bluesman, isn't he?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can think of nothing Americans could do to raise their standing in the world more than impeaching Bush. I think that during his first term, a lot of Americans really didn't realise just how (horribly) he comes across to non-Americans. Now it seems more of them do.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are really going to be pissed when Condy Rice gets elected CINC! Razz Razz
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
I think that during his first term, a lot of Americans really didn't realise just how (horribly) he comes across to non-Americans.


Most Americans don't give a rat's ass what non-Americans think. Haven't you figured that out yet?
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hypnotist



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
And Hypnotist seems to forget that Great Britain and Europe had their own fair share of self-inflicted issues and problems before W. Bush was elected over here and "imposed" onto all of those civilized people who have historically got on so well with each other.


Hey, hey, wait a mo. That's reading into my words a hell of a lot more than I said!

Bush has been a disaster for any supporter of multilateral, consensus-led international politics. That much is clear. The RoW has to live with his environmental scepticism, his devaluing of the NPT, his marginalising of the UNSC, and his failure to properly engage his Government in the Middle East (and it takes some humble pie for us Europeans to admit that realistically only the US is going to drive progress there).

I really don't understand the kind of bunker mentality on display here. You guys freely criticise the current US administration, and yet somehow it's none of our business?
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