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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Here's a collocation for ya: "dead meat"...  |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
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It's not about Tookie Williams, or the victims. It's about us.
Should we, as a civilised society, violently push a human being out of existence? What does it say about us?
It says that we lack respect for human life. Or at the very least, that we set limits to that respect.
I want justice for the victims, but I don't want it on those terms. Respect for human life should be unconditional. |
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Yowza! Here I am going on about respect for human life, and I get a response from someone evidently unable to even grasp the concept of common courtesy! |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| "dead meat"... |
...is delicious on a bun with ketchup, mustard, onions, chili, and french fries. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| manlyboy wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
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It's not about Tookie Williams, or the victims. It's about us.
Should we, as a civilised society, violently push a human being out of existence? What does it say about us?
It says that we lack respect for human life. Or at the very least, that we set limits to that respect.
I want justice for the victims, but I don't want it on those terms. Respect for human life should be unconditional. |
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Yowza! Here I am going on about respect for human life, and I get a response from someone evidently unable to even grasp the concept of common courtesy! |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| manlyboy wrote: |
| Respect for human life should be unconditional. |
I assume, then, that you are opposed to all forms of abortion? |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tookie#The_Murders
Schwarzenegger cited the following:
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"Cumulatively, the evidence demonstrating Williams is guilty of these murders is strong and compelling";..."there is no reason to second-guess the jury's decision of guilt";
A "close look at his post-arrest and post-conviction conduct tells a story different from redemption"; |
I would have been equally happy with him dying of old age in prison, alone, in a cold dark cell, with no interaction with other living beings. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Me too. The problem with the death penalty is it lets the person off too easily. Not only do they get off quick but endorphines kick in close to death anyway. Ooh, big punishment. Instead it should be a life imprisonment (ie, until the actual day of death, not 20 years) with an ironclad guarantee of no reduction. No contact with friends or family either; basically a living death. That's way crueler. |
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Imbroglio
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a large automobile
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
| "dead meat"... |
...is delicious on a bun with ketchup, mustard, onions, chili, and french fries. |
I like mine with lettuce and tomato
Heinz 57 and french fried potatoes
Big kosher pickle and a cold draft beer!! |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
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| Respect for human life should be unconditional. |
I assume, then, that you are opposed to all forms of abortion? |
Personally, yes. But I believe abortion is a private matter, and I respect the individual's right to choose.
State sponsored execution is a public issue. Criminals are executed by the state, in the name of the people. I don't want any killing being carried out in my name.
When the Nobel Peace Prize commitee releases its shortlist of nominees from our times (takes 40 years I believe), and if Williams' name is on there as has been rumoured, I wonder what future generations will think of us for having killed him?
I have no pity for the man, but I do feel that civilisation needs to evolve beyond the archaic and primitive concept of blood revenge. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Actually (according to Vedic literature) meat-eating/animal killing destroys the good quality of mercy in humans...(similarly, intoxication destroys austerity, illicit sex destroys cleanliness, and gambling destroys truthfullness...) |
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Imbroglio
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a large automobile
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Actually (according to Vedic literature) meat-eating/animal killing destroys the good quality of mercy in humans...(similarly, intoxication destroys austerity, illicit sex destroys cleanliness, and gambling destroys truthfullness...) |
Stop changing the F#$kxxing subject!! 
Wow, really? Mercy? I used to have a lot of mercy when I was younger. Now, after 1196 hours of watching court tv and forensic files, cold case files and city confidential, I feel like the police in general do a pretty decent job, most of the time when it comes to murder cases.
In any case, Tookie deserved some sort of severe punishment for his crimes, and while death is certianly an easy way out as mdates said, there is something to be said for the side that argues death is a better alternative than life in prison because in death, you don't really have another chance kill anymore. |
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FlagWaver
Joined: 12 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| I'm hoping he comes back as a white man, born into a rich and poweful arsitocratic family. |
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hack
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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I agree that they should abolish the death penalty.
Just give an convicted murderer to the family of the victim.
Now, that would be justice |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:18 am Post subject: |
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From 1973 to 2002, 100 people on death row have been exonerated and freed. With numbers like that, it's safe to conclude that innocent people have been put to death by the state.
Wrong place at the wrong time with hell-bent-on-biblical-revenge death penalty zealots driving the bus. Or worse, the police and state prosecutors lie and conceal evidence and don't give a rat's ass about an innocent man being put to death. Shouldn't they be charged with attempted murder?
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Rolando Cruz served on death row in Illinois after he was twice convicted and sentenced to death for the rape and murder of 10-year-old Jeanine Nicario.
"I prayed in the morning I would be able to sleep at night, I prayed at night I would be able to wake up in the morning," Cruz said of his ordeal on death row.
Cruz was set free after four county police officers and three prosecutors were indicted for allegedly lying and concealing evidence in the case. Another man, a convicted child killer, later confessed to the crime.
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Hope such a terrible thing never happens to any of us. |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| manlyboy wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| manlyboy wrote: |
It's not about Tookie Williams, or the victims. It's about us.
Should we, as a civilised society, violently push a human being out of existence? What does it say about us?
It says that we lack respect for human life. Or at the very least, that we set limits to that respect.
I want justice for the victims, but I don't want it on those terms. Respect for human life should be unconditional. |
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Yowza! Here I am going on about respect for human life, and I get a response from someone evidently unable to even grasp the concept of common courtesy! |
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Are you saying I'm a master debater? |
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