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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: The Canadian-American political rift Reply with quote

I would think that relations between one of the least monitored borders in the world has been good since the end of the War of 1812....in 1814.

But ever since the induction of G.W. Bush into the White House, these relations has been in a steady decline.

Now, a remark by the US ambassador to Canada is or has unwittingly aided one of the contenders in the Canadian primary elections, scheduled for sometimes this winter.

Is this a sign that relations are slowly deteriorating or is it something thats been in the making for years.

Sorry for my ignorance in US-Canadian relations, but what is the state of affairs so far?
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it ever occur to Bush that his closest allies are distancing themselves from his war mongering and religious zealotry that seems to be based on a reading of the bible that Jesus would cook down babies to carbon with phosphorus bombs, so why shouldn't America?

America owes, under NAFTA, about $3 billion. America doesn't want to pay. Basically America's congress only believes in free trade if it goes all one way. The second a voter in Iowa might be affected, well, congress passes all kinds of new laws...
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khyber



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's not just bush though...
it's all his mindless lackys...
Carlson tucker tied his bowtie too tight last week and ended up squeeking out, "Canada is like your retarded cousin".
and "Canada is stalking the US".

Go ahead and google if you don't believe someone on tv would say something so utterly ridiculous
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly I think Americans are waking up to Canada's anti-Americanism and are rather disgusted by it.

Virtually every one of the 100's of the American ESL teachers I've met in Asia can recount their first bout of Canuckistani America-bashing, and how surprised they were to encounter it. Trust me for the newbies here, this totally predates the Bush administration.

Historically, Americans didn't care much, but many are beginning to connect the dots. Politicians in South Korea, Bolivia, Germany, and Spain have gotten themselves elected on the backs of sophmoric anti-Americanism that plays well to their respective peanut galleries. So an American ambassador finally has the balls to say what an American ambassador should say, leave your neurotic and irrational feelings towards your neighbor and largest trading partner out of your election.

And we get the likely result, pathetic Bush-bashing threads on web boards and Canadians lapping up the non-spectacle.

As an American, I find this odd as there are currently rising wishes for independence from Quebec and increasing rumblings from the Western provinces, and who knows, if there's enough oil off the East Coast, more who wish to bolt from Ottawa's grip.

Seems to me that should be a bigger issue in an election than a lumber spat with a country you have a huge trade surplus with. If an American state was agitating to leave the Union, let alone regions encompassing nearly half of the US population, it would be THE ONLY issue in an American election.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada actually put duties on corn i think it was? I read it on CBC. For anti dumping reasons etc. THey say they will look at them again when teh Canada Border Services Agency and maybe Customs Canada finish their investigation. Makes me wonder if it is retaliation...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Does it ever occur to Bush that his closest allies are distancing themselves from his war mongering


Allies?????

The Korean War ended more than 50 years ago. Canada hasn't been an ally in all that time. And if you are referring to FVrance and Germany, they've really never been our allies, unless you go back to the Revolutionary War.

I think we can get along fine without the Canadian Army, thank you very much.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:
Frankly I think Americans are waking up to Canada's anti-Americanism and are rather disgusted by it.
Virtually every one of the 100's of the American ESL teachers I've met in Asia can recount their first bout of Canuckistani America-bashing, and how surprised they were to encounter it. Trust me for the newbies here, this totally predates the Bush administration.
Historically, Americans didn't care much, but many are beginning to connect the dots. Politicians in South Korea, Bolivia, Germany, and Spain have gotten themselves elected on the backs of sophmoric anti-Americanism that plays well to their respective peanut galleries. So an American ambassador finally has the balls to say what an American ambassador should say, leave your neurotic and irrational feelings towards your neighbor and largest trading partner out of your election.

Yes, you are right, as your ignorance of Canada showed up quite well (see next paragraph). I think my biggest problem is I agree with you Smile It shouldn't be used. If you can't win on your own merits, or atleast your own country's merits, you pretty much suck. Why bring America into our politics?

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And we get the likely result, pathetic Bush-bashing threads on web boards and Canadians lapping up the non-spectacle.

Nothing wrong with Bush bashing, he deserves everything he gets. It's only when Canadians start bashing Americans that you should (rightly) complain.

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As an American, I find this odd as there are currently rising wishes for independence from Quebec and increasing rumblings from the Western provinces, and who knows, if there's enough oil off the East Coast, more who wish to bolt from Ottawa's grip.

Ha, Quebec just has a bunch of people who keep saying that. Most Quebecers I know know that leaving Canada is just too much trouble. Second, the Western provinces have been rumbling for years. There is nothing major there. Third, Atlantic Canada would not leave even if it could with a sudden find of oil. Not to mention, they wouldn't, we love Canada as an ideal too much.

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Seems to me that should be a bigger issue in an election than a lumber spat with a country you have a huge trade surplus with. If an American state was agitating to leave the Union, let alone regions encompassing nearly half of the US population, it would be THE ONLY issue in an American election.

Hey, have you ever met a Hawaiian? Ask him if he is from the state of Hawaii. Do you not realize there is a growing independence movement there. They could leave no problem and want to since Hawaii was annexed illegally. Don't be surprised if in 20 years you start buying a new flag with 49 stars (unless Quebec separates, finds out it can't do it by themselves, and becomes the next state Smile ).

Remember, for every one Canadian who bashes Americans just for being American or props up Canada for not being America, I am sure I can show you one "typical stereotype" American who is arrogant, doesn't bother to learn a language, beleives he/she is always right, etc.. (you know the stereotype I am talking about). We aren't all like that. Martin is just a politician. He would say America is great if that would win him votes. He would publicly profess to Satan if that would win votes too. Don't look too much into that.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Korean War ended more than 50 years ago. Canada hasn't been an ally in all that time.


I guess that's why your drugged up pilots decided to bomb the troops we sent to Afghanistan to help you fight the war on terror.

Or the fact that we did end run arounds helping out all the American travelers who were stranded when you closed down your airspace after 9/11 (feeding them, taking them into our homes, spending a lot of money keeping airfields open and working overtime).

Or the supplies and volunteer help we sent when Katrina did it's little number.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

We really aren't evil, backstabbing socialists bent on destroying America. So what, we complain sometimes. I complain about my super religious sister all the time, but I love her and would will always be there for her.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
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The Korean War ended more than 50 years ago. Canada hasn't been an ally in all that time.


I guess that's why your drugged up pilots decided to bomb the troops we sent to Afghanistan to help you fight the war on terror.

Or the fact that we did end run arounds helping out all the American travelers who were stranded when you closed down your airspace after 9/11 (feeding them, taking them into our homes, spending a lot of money keeping airfields open and working overtime).

Or the supplies and volunteer help we sent when Katrina did it's little number.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

We really aren't evil, backstabbing socialists bent on destroying America. So what, we complain sometimes. I complain about my super religious sister all the time, but I love her and would will always be there for her.


I have to stop you, here. It's not the content of what you are saying that's in error but your decision to present it to sundubuman. The man doesn't have a thought that hasn't originated from a Republican talking point.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:

I have to stop you, here. It's not the content of what you are saying that's in error but your decision to present it to sundubuman. The man doesn't have a thought that hasn't originated from a Republican talking point.


Thanks, you prob just saved me a lot of time then. I'm still somewhat a newbie Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When Bill Clinton vists Canada he is treated like a rock star. So it does have a lot to do with Bush.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Historically, Americans didn't care much, but many are beginning to connect the dots. Politicians in South Korea, Bolivia, Germany, and Spain have gotten themselves elected on the backs of sophmoric anti-Americanism that plays well to their respective peanut galleries
Could you point out a government or official outside of the US where an official was elected "on the back of it's morally upstanding, fully realized Pro American stance"?
You may find that, though they may exist in small numbers in both pro and antiamerican governments, it would RARELY to NEVER to a deciding issue.

canukistan...nice pic.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
Does it ever occur to Bush that his closest allies are distancing themselves from his war mongering


Allies?????

The Korean War ended more than 50 years ago. Canada hasn't been an ally in all that time. And if you are referring to FVrance and Germany, they've really never been our allies, unless you go back to the Revolutionary War.

I think we can get along fine without the Canadian Army, thank you very much.


This is the kind of idiot American that goes abroad and everyone judges America by.
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JeJuJitsu



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadians? I love the reputation they have from Korean newspapers (that all Koreans read): drug taking, university diploma-forging alcoholics.
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