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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Preaching is the essence of spiritual missions.
Transcendental books are the basis
Purity is the force
And utility is the principle.
The art of preaching is to initially speak just a little so that a person will naturally want to hear more later - if interested.
Internet forum preaching is trickier because "preachiness" is quickly condemned by someone-or-other. Of course, a preacher has to be very tolerant of any insults directed at himself, but he also doesn't want to unnecesarily agitiate someone to blaspheme God (or his representative.)
I've definitely been guilty of "overpreaching" in a mechanical, uninspired way a bunch of times on these forums.
New Year's Resolution: I need to mix- it- up and make my posts shorter and more entertaining ...  |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
I like your new avatar too, Dan, but it's taking up 2/3 of my monitor.  |
Very true, all fixed now. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Dan The Chainsawman wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
| I like your new avatar too, Dan, but it's taking up 2/3 of my monitor. |
Very true, all fixed now. |
You're a peach! |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
| Dan The Chainsawman wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
| I like your new avatar too, Dan, but it's taking up 2/3 of my monitor. |
Very true, all fixed now. |
You're a peach! |
Never been called that before. Been called alot of other stuff, but this is a first. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, that video is pretty old. I watched it a couple years ago.
I was a vegetarian and near vegan for about 18 months before moving to Korea. The day I moved to Korea, that all ended. It still makes my stomach curdle when I cook raw meat, but I feel trapped. The vegetable choices here (and keep in mind I live in a small town) are ridiculously slim, as are pretty much all food choices.
A couple years back, before I'd become vegetarian, I tried to show that video to my sister-in-law. She refused to watch it, and actually became vociferous and hostile towards me. There was no way she was gonna watch it, because she said it would ruin her meat eating experience.
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JLE
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Under The Volcano With a Cup of Tea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
I was a vegetarian and near vegan for about 18 months before moving to Korea. The day I moved to Korea, that all ended. It still makes my stomach curdle when I cook raw meat, but I feel trapped. The vegetable choices here (and keep in mind I live in a small town) are ridiculously slim, as are pretty much all food choices. |
Hmm, i'm vegetarian and hoping to be Korea within the month. I'd made the unsubstantiated assumption that the Buddhist presence would mean i wouldn't have too much trouble sticking with it. Do you think this is just a 'small town thing' or might i have difficulties in most places outside Seoul? |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| JLE wrote: |
| I'd made the unsubstantiated assumption that the Buddhist presence would mean i wouldn't have too much trouble sticking with it. |
Even in Seoul "ham" is recognized as a vegetable. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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I have no problem with the video what so ever and pretty much oblivious to the gutwrenching process of slaughter.
I grew up on a farm where we raised 20 acres of cattle. My father, for a few years, owned a small butcher shop where he killed livestock - mostly cow and an occasional deer during hunting season, in house.
He used electric prodders to get the animal to move. He would next take a stun gun to the animals head to kill it. After hanging the animal and draining its blood, he would slice the carcass open to remove the innards and entrails, finally carving up juicy cuts of Grade 'A' beef, pork, or venice to our hungry customers. The store was inspected by a government official monthly and cleanliness was never an issue.
We always had fresh meet in freezer, great for steaks, chili, bbq, whatever. I'll continue to love my meat. In fact, my apartment in Korea is situated behind a row of butcher shops/kalbi jibs. Food handling/contamination in Korea is a entirely different topic that often weighs heavy on my mind. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| JLE wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
I was a vegetarian and near vegan for about 18 months before moving to Korea. The day I moved to Korea, that all ended. It still makes my stomach curdle when I cook raw meat, but I feel trapped. The vegetable choices here (and keep in mind I live in a small town) are ridiculously slim, as are pretty much all food choices. |
Hmm, i'm vegetarian and hoping to be Korea within the month. I'd made the unsubstantiated assumption that the Buddhist presence would mean i wouldn't have too much trouble sticking with it. Do you think this is just a 'small town thing' or might i have difficulties in most places outside Seoul? |
Be prepared to do most of your cooking at home, over a gas range. The monks are the only ones who bother with vegetarianism, and most Koreans think they're just fakin' it. That could be-- I went to a "vegetarian" restaurant on the grounds of a monastery and got a surprise helping of pork with my bibimbab. |
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JLE
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Under The Volcano With a Cup of Tea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
| JLE wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
I was a vegetarian and near vegan for about 18 months before moving to Korea. The day I moved to Korea, that all ended. It still makes my stomach curdle when I cook raw meat, but I feel trapped. The vegetable choices here (and keep in mind I live in a small town) are ridiculously slim, as are pretty much all food choices. |
Hmm, i'm vegetarian and hoping to be Korea within the month. I'd made the unsubstantiated assumption that the Buddhist presence would mean i wouldn't have too much trouble sticking with it. Do you think this is just a 'small town thing' or might i have difficulties in most places outside Seoul? |
Be prepared to do most of your cooking at home, over a gas range. The monks are the only ones who bother with vegetarianism, and most Koreans think they're just fakin' it. That could be-- I went to a "vegetarian" restaurant on the grounds of a monastery and got a surprise helping of pork with my bibimbab. |
Not good. I'm going to have to brush up on my cooking skills or my roundhouse kicks... |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| JLE wrote: |
| I'd made the unsubstantiated assumption that the Buddhist presence would mean i wouldn't have too much trouble sticking with it. |
Even in Seoul "ham" is recognized as a vegetable. |
Considering the percentage of non-meat content in the "ham" sold hereabouts, there's some basis for that! |
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JLE
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Under The Volcano With a Cup of Tea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Solid pink water plus pig extract. |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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The loopy bit is this:
To my mind at least, you are making these assumptions:
1. conservatives breed more than liberals (maybe that's not what you meant, but that's what i got out of it)
2. people inherit their political values from their parents
3. people immigrating to america are conservative
4. the first three things are going to stay true for 50 years
this is what i have to say about these assumptions.
1. I guess this is ok.
2. This is true to some degree, but it's not so overwhelmingly true that it spells the death of american libralism. Hasn't American culture been getting more and more liberal over the generations? How do you explain the 1960s? I think this is where the biggest breakdown in logic occurs.
3. Frankly, I don't know. I know mexicans are a big immigrant group, and mexican culture is fairly conservative. But at the same time, there are far more mexican democrats than repulicans, no? At any rate, American conservatives are often anti-immigration, which doesn't really gain them any converts in the immigrant population.
4. This, of course, is speculation. |
1. This is where the statistical fact comes in to it. Slightly hyperbolic of me to put it that way, though.
2. Check out my "Suicide of the West" thread on the current events forum. The sources I've linked to there point out much more eloquently and convincingly than I can about the inherent contradictions of liberalism, and how it has become SO tolerant to other points of view, that it seriously risks being eclipsed by them. Based on the most recent election, I don't know if I'd say America is growing more liberal.
As for children learning values from their parents, let me put it this way: Do you have any kids? Most likely not. Perhaps one or two at the most. Well, I'll bet those guys in that film, being good 'ole farm boys, probably have quite a few kids. And I bet they teach those kids that what Daddy does for a living is perfectly acceptable. And I bet most of those kids will probably grow up believing what Daddy taught them. Matthew's World just posted that he had no problem with any of the cruelty because he grew up on a farm. He was taught that this kind of thing is acceptable as a child, and he still believes it today as an adult.
When those kids grow up, they're likely to follow in Daddy's footsteps. Who's going to follow in the footsteps of the liberals on this thread who oppose this kind of thing? How many of you have kids?
Your argument is that people will think for themselves and make up their own minds, but I think you're seriously over-estimating the power of the average individual to break with values which get ingrained from a very early age.
3. I didn't mean that immigrants are conservative. I meant that immigrants may not value prevention of cruelty to animals very highly. The whole movement does seem to be very Western. I was thinking about this on the subway home last night, and it dawned on me that if the immigrants were Muslim, this would actually be a great boon for animal rights. "Halal" requirements stipulate that animals must be treated humanely, and of course pigs would be off the menu altogether. Then again, Muslims would not be likely to agree with liberal Americans on a whole lot else.
4. Yes, it is speculation, and I should have prefixed it with the caveat "if current trends continue". At the moment, I don't foresee those trends changing. Do you? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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The best listing of vegetarian places all over Korea is the following link provided by Dave's Korean Job Forum member skinsk05 :
http://www.freewebs.com/vegetariankorea/index.htm
Amazingly, there are over 100 restaurants listed - many of which would be very difficult for foreigners to find without such a guide ... |
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crazykiwi
Joined: 07 Jun 2003
Location: new zealand via daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Haha, I enjoyed my bucket of fried chicken whillst watching that doco, so no, it didnt make me squirm or barf, it just made me hungry. mmmmm beef, pork, chicken, turkey mmmmmmm now im really hungry.  |
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