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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: Canada is #1 |
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We're No. 1 ... when it comes to stealing music
Heath Mccoy, The Calgary Herald
Published: Tuesday, January 03, 2006
CALGARY - Who would've guessed it? Polite, politically correct, peacekeeping Canada is a nation of thieves.
At least we are when it comes to the illegal downloading of music from the Internet, says Graham Henderson, president of the Canadian Recording Industry Association.
"Canada, per capita, (has the) highest incidents of online music theft in the world. ... It's quite shameful," he said.
The finding is from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, which is dedicated to helping governments handle the economic, social and governing challenges of a globalized economy.
Henderson says the high rate of illegal downloading in Canada can be "traced directly to the government's lax approach to copyright reform."
"Canada has fallen behind every single country in the European Union. We're behind Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and the United States. ... The rest of the world has said (illegal downloading) is wrong and it should be curtailed."
Last May, there was an outcry in the Canadian recording industry when the Federal Court of Appeal upheld a ruling that said the country's Internet service providers don't have to reveal the names of online music traders, effectively allowing people to trade online music obtained from rogue sources.
Henderson's protest comes in the wake of year-end Nielsen SoundScan results showing sales of music CDs in the United States are down seven per cent from last year, while legal digital downloading is booming. Nielsen reported digital sales in 2004 of 101 million. That number grew to 264.4 million this year, spurred by the popularity of iPods.
The stats had the music industry bemoaning a slump in CD sales. Canada experienced a two-per-cent decline in CD sales as well, according to the Canadian Recording Industry Association. But legal downloading wasn't nearly as booming here because of the rampant illegal downloading, says Henderson.
© The Ottawa Citizen 2006
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/arts/story.html?id=9b2487a8-c0d9-4c65-99bc-09f9ea10b674&k=53136
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I'm not knocking Canada... 
I have, and I think everyone has, stolen music from the internet. I just thought you might like to see that thread title.  |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| stealing crap music isn't really THAT illegal is it? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Hell, Canadians have long been the world's most accomplished smugglers of booze 'n' smokes. Why not number one for stealing music? |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| "Canada, per capita, (has the) highest incidents of online music theft in the world. ... It's quite shameful," he said. |
I've been no fan of Canada lately.. but to me it's something to be somehow perversely proud of!
Ken:> |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Of all things a nation should feel shameful for, ... this has gotta be the easiest shame to swallow.
Like the music executive at the major music labels haven't been milking artists for decades (as they have been protesting). |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
| stealing crap music isn't really THAT illegal is it? |
You might have a different perspective if you had written the music and expected royalties...and you might have a radically different perspective if you owned a recording company.
I'm no fan of Canada, but this information is surprising. I've seen huge and systematic black market activity all over downtown Santiago de Chile, not just music, but books and film as well. Canada is ripping off more than the Chileans? That's surprising, as I know no Chileans who buy legit products. Even the priest and the monks at the Catholic high school where I taught bought black market copies of Mel Gibson's Jesus film to show at school. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| well gopher, it is online music. Those priests were buying pirate copies, not downloading them off the internet right? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, that's OK then. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| ha ha... just explaining why canada could be #1 as opposed to chile, china, or some other 3rd world country where copyright piracy abounds. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| ha ha... just explaining why canada could be #1 as opposed to chile, china, or some other 3rd world country where copyright piracy abounds. |
Yeah, just teasing a bit BB as it would seem from this forum that almost all consider "pirate" music (and software) to be a God-given right and it seemed strange to point a finger in any direction on this issue. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| well gopher, it is online music. Those priests were buying pirate copies, not downloading them off the internet right? |
Hard to say where they come from. Some are downloaded, from somewhere, and then copied, reproduced, and sold. I've seen those on the streets. You'd have to walk down the Alameda to see what I'm talking about -- they even have an advanced-warning system set up to know when the cops come and they scatter, I'm talking hundreds of people with their products spread out on a blanket that they can just scoop up and run anytime they choose. Other versions are pirated in the worst way: people going into theaters with camcorders, etc. Subtitles are absurd in these versions.
My suspicion is that someone originally downloaded the film from somewhere and sold it to the priests. They showed the film months before it had arrived in Chilean theaters, and still before, I believe, it was released in U.S. theaters, this was in Feb. or March 2004. Where did it come from ultimately? Good question. Where do all of them come from? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Most of the DVDs I rented in Costa Rica were obviously pirated. In fact, I'd go in to rent and they'd be happily making DVD copies. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| You might have a different perspective if you had written the music and expected royalties |
maybe. How do you know i am NOT in that EXACT situation? I am, in fact. As are several of my friends. We all download and love (and i personally have no real ethical dilemma with it)
Besides, there are quite a few rich artists who have no real large beef with downloaders. Small timers LOVE it cause it gives them exposure...
My one friend is gonna be famour in the next couple years STILL downloads all his music (unless he's at a show...but then they just give him cds) and he WANTS people to download his stuff too.
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| .and you might have a radically different perspective if you owned a recording company. |
sure would. That perspective would probably be through 3000$ Hugo Boss frames. The people who are MOST concerned are the ones who have the MOST to lose. Strangely enough, they are ALSO the ones who can afford to lose the most. Weird coincidence all that.
Guy, record companies are TOTALLY shamming artists; They get what...10% OR less of sales? It's their bloody music; you can't claim that artists are getting screwed by piracy when they are barely benefitting from the present system.
For me personally, iIF i EVER get a chance to see the music that i have downloaded, i snatch it up. THEN i buy some kinda shwag (tshirts or something) because THAT is a legitimate and powerful form of support.
Intellectual property rights are for people who wrote songs with the SOLE purpose of making money. When part of that purpose seeps away, what're they left with? a sh***y song.
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| My suspicion is that someone originally downloaded the film from somewhere and sold it to the priests. They showed the film months before it had arrived in Chilean theaters, and still before, I believe, it was released in U.S. theaters, this was in Feb. or March 2004. Where did it come from ultimately? Good question. Where do all of them come from? |
The majority (though not ALL of my music) that i have burned, was given by friends who either play on, wrote, or owned the cd. Also, if there is a CD (i should say, a record company) worth MY hard earned money, then i'd certainly invest.
re: Canada's place in it all? Not really surprised; the pot smoking draft dodging, rum runiing losers that we are.
i'm not overly surprised by this...and (luckily for me) i don't feel too bad about it too! |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| You might have a different perspective if you had written the music and expected royalties |
maybe. How do you know i am NOT in that EXACT situation? I am, in fact. As are several of my friends. We all download and love (and i personally have no real ethical dilemma with it)
Besides, there are quite a few rich artists who have no real large beef with downloaders. Small timers LOVE it cause it gives them exposure...
My one friend is gonna be famour in the next couple years STILL downloads all his music (unless he's at a show...but then they just give him cds) and he WANTS people to download his stuff too.
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| .and you might have a radically different perspective if you owned a recording company. |
sure would. That perspective would probably be through 3000$ Hugo Boss frames. The people who are MOST concerned are the ones who have the MOST to lose. Strangely enough, they are ALSO the ones who can afford to lose the most. Weird coincidence all that.
Guy, record companies are TOTALLY shamming artists; They get what...10% OR less of sales? It's their bloody music; you can't claim that artists are getting screwed by piracy when they are barely benefitting from the present system.
For me personally, iIF i EVER get a chance to see the music that i have downloaded, i snatch it up. THEN i buy some kinda shwag (tshirts or something) because THAT is a legitimate and powerful form of support.
Intellectual property rights are for people who wrote songs with the SOLE purpose of making money. When part of that purpose seeps away, what're they left with? a sh***y song.
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| My suspicion is that someone originally downloaded the film from somewhere and sold it to the priests. They showed the film months before it had arrived in Chilean theaters, and still before, I believe, it was released in U.S. theaters, this was in Feb. or March 2004. Where did it come from ultimately? Good question. Where do all of them come from? |
The majority (though not ALL of my music) that i have burned, was given by friends who either play on, wrote, or owned the cd. Also, if there is a CD (i should say, a record company) worth MY hard earned money, then i'd certainly invest.
re: Canada's place in it all? Not really surprised; the pot smoking draft dodging, rum runiing losers that we are.
i'm not overly surprised by this...and (luckily for me) i don't feel too bad about it too! |
Interesting how Canadians can be so precisely concerned with compliance on any NAFTA clause but have no problem justifying copyright infringement if it benefits them. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| But legal downloading wasn't nearly as booming here because of the rampant illegal downloading, says Henderson. |
So he says. Got any facts to support that?
I didn't see any supporting facts in this article, and it came from a source trying to increase record sales.
It's obviously American propaganda. |
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