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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: What will America be like when Wade vs Roe is overturned? |
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Will this improve the culture of America or lessen it?
��America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father��s role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts � a child � as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being��s entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign.�� (Mother Theresa � ��Notable and Quotable,�� Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14)
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: Re: What will America be like when Wade and Roe is overturne |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
Will this improve the culture of America or lessen it?
��America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father��s role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts — a child — as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being��s entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign.�� (Mother Theresa — ��Notable and Quotable,�� Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14) |
Despite what rapier says, Mother Theresa was a saint if ever one lived, but the simplistic position that God is love and will provide for all is just so much hot air. The social ills that come from illigitimate births, additional poor, latchkey children, divorce, etc., far outweigh anything lost by abortion. And I am personally against abortion. It's not something I would ever willingly participate in, but I do understand why some do and find it bizarre that people are still trying to legislate morality. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Any American who can afford a flight, abortion, and a few nights in a hotel can go to Canada to get it done. That will cost not much more than $1,000USD in most cases. But what about those women who can't afford it, oh no! I'm sure all those feminist professors, teachers and professionals will be there to help cough up the funds, wont they?
From the point of view of someone who really doesn't care about the US, it will be fun to watch all those 'liberals' who sat on their asses in the run-up to the War on Iraq decide if they feel that they have anything worth fighting for. My guess is the majority of them won't. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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"My father's a Harley Street surgeon
With intsruments long, sharp and thin
He only does one operation
My God, how the money rolls in.
Rolls in, rolls in
My God how the money rolls in, rolls in
Rolls in, rolls in
My God how the money rolls in"
Yep, back to the backstreets. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
Yep, back to the backstreets. |
Indeed. That or "coat-hanger abortions."
However, I don't think it will ever happen. The pro-choice majority will rise up if it ever comes up for a decision, hopefully. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Pligganease wrote: |
Wangja wrote: |
Yep, back to the backstreets. |
Indeed. That or "coat-hanger abortions."
However, I don't think it will ever happen. The pro-choice majority will rise up if it ever comes up for a decision, hopefully. |
Back to the good old days. Republican senators paying for their daughter's/mistress' backroom abortions. (Or mysterious trips to Switzerland...) |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: Re: What will America be like when Wade and Roe is overturne |
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EFLtrainer wrote: |
Despite what rapier says, Mother Theresa was a saint if ever one lived... |
Actually she was a bit of a s ** t, if you read some of the stuff Christopher Hitchens has turned up about her. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
Republican senators paying for their daughter's/mistress' backroom abortions. (Or mysterious trips to Switzerland...) |
Unless you're black and in "Jim Crow" South Carolina.
*cough cough* Strom Thurmond...  |
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Sooke

Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Location: korea
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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"What will America be like when Roe vs. Wade is overturned?"
Babies everywhere!!!! YAY!! |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't it simply revert back to being a state's rights issue with some states saying it's an accepted medical procedure with others banning the procedure? |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:30 am Post subject: |
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I don't believe Roe vs. Wade ever will be overturned. Despite all the press they get, the christian right in the US is actually a fairly small majority. They just scream the loudest.
The centerist majority, not fantatics from either side like Franken and Micheal Moore or Pat Robertson or Ann Coulter, but your average Joe and Jane Smith who might go to church services but are more likely to sleep in on sundays, they never really feel threatened. They feel safe from all the evangelical screaming and its attempts to control the lives of them and their fellow americans. If the christian minority were ever in a position to threaten Roe v. Wade, there would be a massive uprising. I believe so anyway because I'd be apart of it.
Christianity has put us through these motions before. They got prohibition pushed through and it was promptly repealed. They attempted to put a strangle-hold on porn in the 80's and found their efforts shot down by the Supreme Court. And they try on a daily basis to limit what Americans can watch, read, and if they could figure out how, to think as well. A lot of Americans don't even realize how much religion has taken away from us already, but they'd notice this. Especially women. I myself am pro-choice (incase it wasn't obvious) but have talked to many women who wouldn't themselves have an abortion but they fully support another woman's right to have one.
Christians just keep pushing and pushing and if they don't lay off they're going to be in for a helluva backlash. It's why gay marriage was shot down just about everywhere. It wasn't that a lot of people were really against it, it's just a strange idea to a lot of people and they aren't used to the idea of homosexuals being married yet. The Gay community has made amazing leaps and bounds in their fight to get accepted but there is a such thing as too much too fast. Gays and Lesbians won a major battle with that Texas Court decision and in turn the Supreme Court ruling but they went to far with it. People need time to adjust. Christians are riding that same kind of wave. They've gotten a bit more popular in the last 10 years or so and they don't have enough sense to relax and solidify their power base before tackling their next hurdle. Thank God.
And really how many times can you hear Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell blame someone's illness or a natural disaster on the Wrath of the Almighty because they led a sinful life, without thinking "Well these guys are just idiots." |
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capebretoncanadian

Joined: 20 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: Re: What will America be like when Wade and Roe is overturne |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
Will this improve the culture of America or lessen it?
��America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father��s role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts — a child — as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being��s entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign.�� (Mother Theresa — ��Notable and Quotable,�� Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14) |
You speak as if it's a done deal...........why? Anbody that believes roe v. wade will be overturned is crazy IMO. Justify your wild religious opinion!! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't it simply revert back to being a state's rights issue with some states saying it's an accepted medical procedure with others banning the procedure? |
That is exactly what would happen. It's not as if abortion was illegal accross the US before Roe, and then Roe legalized it. Abortion was subject to varying degrees of restriction(including very minimal ones) until Roe dictated that all state laws had to conform to its provisions.
And for the record, between 1973 and 1988, Canadian abortion laws were more restrictive than American ones. Canadian women seeking an abortion were reuqired to go in front of a three-person panel to justify their decision. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: What will America be like when Wade and Roe is overturne |
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EFLtrainer wrote: |
Despite what rapier says, Mother Theresa was a saint if ever one lived, |
There's nothing saintly about refusing to provide charity to unwed mothers. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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AbbeFaria wrote: |
I don't believe Roe vs. Wade ever will be overturned. Despite all the press they get, the christian right in the US is actually a fairly small majority. They just scream the loudest.
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Yes. There's an old Korean proverb that translates as, "an empty cart rattles more loudly than a full one".
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