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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...THAT'S THE WEBSITE I COULDN'T REMEMBER!!!! Thanks. My Korean is decent...nothing spectacular. I usually use Yongsanmall.com Thanks eamo |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| I am sorry I couldn't disagree more about the PSU issue.. Are you trying to tell me that a 35 dollar 450 watt power supply by some unknown company is better then oh lets say Sparkle 450 watt which is about $80. |
Froogle finds 450W units for as little as $59. What's your point? Logitech R10 speakers come with a $27 MRSP with an average street price of $20 in most retail stores. I bought seventy five pairs for $9 a pair yesterday.
Just because it is priced high doesn't mean it that the quality is there, or vice versa.
However, as I stated before, a company that makes their own products (which Sparkle does and has for many years over four compounds in China) is more likely to have better quality products than a rebranding company that anyone can do. You and me, let's do it! We can start the "Sparkle and Shine Power Supply Company, LTD." tomorrow and begin selling rebranded power supplies from a company like "Current Solutions". And if we get a bad name, we start again with a new one with no asset loss at all! ROCK ON!
If we had to make our own units, starting again after establishing an image of failure would be considerably more difficult. Thus we would have to actually make a better product if we went this route.
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| Are you smoking something? They might share similar parts but they are not re-branded and they are not the same. I just smell *beep* from your advise. |
If you are going to just make things up and credit me as saying it, at least say something interesting like I claimed to have pushed your mother down the stairs twice or something. I quite clearly said that it is better to buy from a company that makes their own units rather than rebrands someone else's as poor-quality issues are less likely to occur.
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| Cheap power supplies are made with cheap parts they cut corners to save money. Did you ever hold a 450 watt no brand name junk PSU and then hold a 450 Enermax PSU? |
Did you miss the part of my message when I said that weight is an excellent judge of quality because larger capacitors weigh more and copper is heavier than aluminium? Your statement here says yes.
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| Zalman, Enermax, OCZ, Sparkle. If you telling me they are the same you know absolutely nothing about power supplies. |
Wow. You take what I write, pretend I said the opposite, then attack me with my own claims to show I am wrong. Holy crap! However can I post again?!
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| You also don't realize how much a p4 will suck up in power either. P4 when Idle it will consume 115 watts if your lucky. |
Gosh.. a graph that compares entire system consumption used to back up your obviously incorrect claims about CPU power consumption?
Screw this noise. You want to play in the big league, enjoy a engineering report from Intel that not only says you are wrong, but explains pretty much how processors use power now along with problems and possible solutions for the future:
http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/182440.htm?prn=Y
Big words and pretty pictures! Stand tall, be not afraid for it is the path of knowledge. Not available in crayon.
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| Been around computers long enough to know which power supply is good and what is garbage. I also know the differences |
My resume says IBM in the past and a number of technology companies who I work with right now. I spent $7000 US this afternoon buying computer components for a personal work project, and that's been an average weekday for me during the last couple weeks. I have a degree in computer science and have built my own computer components.
What's your resume say? Built a computer last year, looked at some pretty boxes in deciding what to buy?
Since you're citing pretty graphs that don't actually say what you say they do and skipped over or completely inversed much of what I said so you could pretend to attack me, it's obvious you don't actually read what people say or simply don't understand what is being said. I am curious as to learn which path it is! |
OOOH IBM..
I am so unimpressed.
Sorry to burst you bubble buddy but I worked for them as well.
Server Support and Network support. IBM Fluor Daniels
(IBM is still one of the worst companies I have ever worked for)
Then I worked for a contracting company and did self employment for OH I don't know about 6 years.
Citrix
Terminal Server
CAD Workstation support and builds
DB development
SBS 2k & 2k3
Deskside
Exchange
Novell
Notes
ETC.....
BLAH BLAH.. I could go on for hours.
I was also an avid overclocking enthusiast. Water cooling, Peltier cooling etc. Never blew money on any phase change although I wish I had just to see a cascade in action.
I might not have a Comsci Major but I do have Economics Major and ComSci minor.
Your not going to plug a PSU into a CPU.. Kind of pointless of just giving CPU wattage draw.
Also good luck finding a pricewatch PSU in Korea.. If you haven't realized it everything is nicely overpriced here.
BTW Sparkle is a mediocre PSU. I had nothing but problems when I had my Dually. For lighter loads its fine but when you are running Workstation hardware its really a piss poor choice.
Any way I don't want to argue. I apologize if I offended you. Any way we both probably have very good knowledge and expertise in our own fields.
Any way the PSU guy. Just make sure your PSU says the following. "Minimum Output Wattage 450" and Not "Maximum Output Wattage 450"
Usually PSU's with larger cooling fans are better because their lower RPM speed will prolong the fan's life. Also check whether the fan's are Sleeve Bearing or Ball Bearings. Sleeve bearings are horrible they usually break down after a year or two (Heavily depends on dust) Ball Bearing fans last MUCH longer. Don't skimp on the PSU because they can nicely barbeque your system if they fail catastrophically.
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If your gone gloat about blowing 7k worth of grand on a computer build any veteran IT pro will laugh at you because Computer hardware is the worst investment you could possibly make. It devaluates quickly and it doesn't make a good collateral asset. I also forgot to mention computer hardware is unable to become a liquid asset quickly. Thats just my Economics major talking. (I made the mistake of investing to much money in computers and lived to regret it)
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Err ... right, - I'm an electrical/electronic engineering grad (not that it matters) - and I've put together numerous power supplies during my college years.
You'd never really use a large capacitor in a power supply though. I think you meant transformer there Gord. Transformers are the heavy component used to step down voltage whereas a capacitor is very light and would just be used to instantaneously store/shape the current.
But anyway - wrench, you'll never really know what the performance of a power supply is unless you test it. And it's fairly unlikely that you'll do that. The reality of it is that all electronic components are just re-packaged from the same parts - and very often it's just the same product with a different sticker.
A good example of this was the PC/TV fad that hit a while ago. Those PCI cards were a mess until conexant brought out a new 'wonder' chip. Then everyone who brought out a PC/TV card used the exact same chip. Regardless of the price you paid you got a card with the conexant chip. Remember that most electronics are built on dirt cheap parts. What you're paying for usually is the brand, the service and the box.
But anyway, on another note - if you had the time and the inclination. You could just build your own power supply. They are really easy to pull together and you could probably get the parts + solder in an electronics market in Seoul for less than $80. You could build it to your own specs + plus you'd be the king of the nerds when it came to power supply discussions anywhere on the net  Just remember to use an old board when you start out and to put in a circuit breaker there somewhere. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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I don't care about PSU's at the moment I want to find a good small box for rendering and NAS duties. I would prefer 1u/2u server but I got no clue where I could get one in Korea. Dell? HP? I can't read their sites.
I guess Shuttle type computer would be acceptable as well. |
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Giant
Joined: 14 May 2003
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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If you are looking for 1u etc. rack mounted server cases and hardware then you can get them at Yongsan no problem. I am the IT director for my division office (I used to teach) and go there to get bits and pieces all the time.
If you want to know where go to the Son In Plaza (on the right side of the map) and look around the 3rd 4th and fifth floors for server stuff. Mostly desktop stuff on the lower levels.
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Wrench
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Giant wrote: |
If you are looking for 1u etc. rack mounted server cases and hardware then you can get them at Yongsan no problem. I am the IT director for my division office (I used to teach) and go there to get bits and pieces all the time.
If you want to know where go to the Son In Plaza (on the right side of the map) and look around the 3rd 4th and fifth floors for server stuff. Mostly desktop stuff on the lower levels.
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Problem is I live in Busan 
I guess I should have some specs for what I want before I go there. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah. I live in Wonju; only 1.5 hours for $6. Not too bad at all. |
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Giant
Joined: 14 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| What kind of work do you do that you need a rack mounted server? |
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Wrench
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| What kind of work do you do that you need a rack mounted server? |
Rendering and NAS. I've spotted what I want. Tyan Transport GT20 or GX28
haven't seen anything on danawa. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| alright. FYI - the ASUS GPU's have a flaw in that the heat sinks tend to fall off (at least on the 6800GT's). |
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