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endofthewor1d



Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: investing from korea. Reply with quote

i'm sorry if this question has surfaced before. i've done a brief search and came up empty for exactly what i was looking for. anyway... today is my birhthday, so don't give me any flak.

i've been married a couple months now, and we're looking to the future. so i'm interested in getting into the stock market, mainly to invest in mutual funds, but with a little on the side to play around with individual stocks. what is the best way to go about doing this from korea?

i'm in the states right now, but i'll be coming back to korea on saturday. i've called charles schwab and tdwaterhouse, but because of katrina, neither of them currently have offices in the new orleans area. i attempted to fill out an online application, but it was denied because i'm not a u.s. resident and i don't work in the u.s. so i'll have to fill out a paper application if i want to go that route.

that's simple enough, but are there better routes to take? those of you who have already been through this, what did you do?

another question about taxes. let's say i have a good run, and 15 years from now i've got stocks and funds worth $1,000,000 u.s. since i'm not living in the u.s., i'd prefer that the u.s. government not swipe half of it from me when i cashed it in. how does that work?

anyway... i'm new to all of this, but i'm ready to dive in. what is my best option? thanks.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: investing from korea. Reply with quote

Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Brithday dear endofthewor1d,
Happy Birthday to you Wink

I know nothing of stocks or how to to avoid taxes though, sorry Sad
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... tell you what dude I will ask for you at the Seoul Investors meeting this weekend. Stay tuned!
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is true that overseas American citizens are exempt from paying US federal income tax on up to $80,000, but as I understand it, that DOES NOT pertain to income you are generating in the States (mutual funds, property, etc.)

For example, I have several mutual funds back home that are generating income. I am not exempt from taxes on those just because my residency is Korea. As a side note, all Americans are still required to file an income tax return, even though they live in Korea.

Concerning "a little money on the side to play around with," I would recommend waiting till you come back to Korea. With an ARC card, you can sign up at a Korean brokerage house and have at it.

A very recent article in the Herald Tribune, "Even after rally, the Kospi may be cheap," cited Morgan Stanley as recommending, "investors buy shares of technology companies like LG.Philips LCD and Samsung Electronics...also picked lenders like Kookmin Bank and Shinhan Finacial Group...and retailers including Hyundai Department Store and CJ Home Shopping."

The Kospi was Asia's best performer last year, and signs say that comsumer spending and exports will continue to be strong in 2006.
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endofthewor1d



Joined: 01 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk, thank you for the happy birthday wishes. it has indeed been a happy birthday.

dan, thank you in advance for forwarding my questions. let me know if you find out anything different or in addition to what hapki has given me.


HapKi wrote:
It is true that overseas American citizens are exempt from paying US federal income tax on up to $80,000, but as I understand it, that DOES NOT pertain to income you are generating in the States (mutual funds, property, etc.)

For example, I have several mutual funds back home that are generating income. I am not exempt from taxes on those just because my residency is Korea. As a side note, all Americans are still required to file an income tax return, even though they live in Korea.

Concerning "a little money on the side to play around with," I would recommend waiting till you come back to Korea. With an ARC card, you can sign up at a Korean brokerage house and have at it.

A very recent article in the Herald Tribune, "Even after rally, the Kospi may be cheap," cited Morgan Stanley as recommending, "investors buy shares of technology companies like LG.Philips LCD and Samsung Electronics...also picked lenders like Kookmin Bank and Shinhan Finacial Group...and retailers including Hyundai Department Store and CJ Home Shopping."

The Kospi was Asia's best performer last year, and signs say that comsumer spending and exports will continue to be strong in 2006.


hapki,
thank you so much for the info. this is good stuff. but i'd like to dig a little deeper into what you know.
first, i've got an arc card. say i want to go with a korean brokerage house. is there an option to do so in english? is online trading pretty user friendly? and (this might sound terribly ignorant) even if i were investing with a korean brokerage house, with korean currency, could i trade non-korean stocks and funds?
and about taxes. you said

"but as I understand it, that DOES NOT pertain to income you are generating in the States (mutual funds, property, etc.)"

does that apply if i'm investing in korea with a korean brokerage house? after all, it wouldn't be money that i was generating in the states, would it?

do you invest through a korean brokerage house? is there one you could recommend? thank you.
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, a quick clarification. Paying taxes on mutual funds you might have in the States is only when you sell them. You only generate income when you sell them, so only holding on to them year after year, and putting in extra cash when you have it, you don't pay tax on that. Only when you sell.

To try and answer some of your questions. BTW- I am not an expert on this, as some others may be. My mom's a financial planner, which is where I learned a lot, as well as jumping in here in Korea.

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say i want to go with a korean brokerage house. is there an option to do so in english?

I realized I wanted to start buying Korean stocks, so I walked into a ���� (brokerage house) and set up an account. I forget what I needed, but ARC was key. I sat down with a guy and I told him what I wanted. We stared at his computer screen and watched the minute by minute fluctuations in price, as well as past 3,6, 12 month returns.

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is online trading pretty user friendly?

I don't know about this. The stocks I bought, I bought them at the brokerage house and held them for 3-4 years. They did give me a program and ID, so I could do it all at home, but I'm FAR from being a day trader. If you were to do this, you'd set up an account with the house, with money in it, and the money you buy/sell with would go/come from that account.

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if i were investing with a korean brokerage house, with korean currency, could i trade non-korean stocks and funds?

I don't think so, unless they were listed on the KOSPI or KOSDAQ. Not sure about that, though.

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about taxes. you said

"but as I understand it, that DOES NOT pertain to income you are generating in the States (mutual funds, property, etc.)"

does that apply if i'm investing in korea with a korean brokerage house? after all, it wouldn't be money that i was generating in the states, would it?

Of course. The American IRS doesn't care about you buying Korean stock. If you were buying American stock through the KOSPI (if possible-see above), then I don't know.

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do you invest through a korean brokerage house? is there one you could recommend?

Yes, I do, with Daishin Securities. Though like I said, I buy stock and hold it for many years, and have no day to day dealing with Daishin. It sounds like you want more of a day trader hobby. They are certainly set up to do that as well. Korean stocks are very volatile, and even the most stable blue chips fluctuate wildly. For example, several years ago I bought 10 shares of Samsung Electric at 280,000 a share. Over the years, I'd sometimes see DAILY increases/decreases of 20,000 to 30,000 won. That means I'm up/down 200,000-300,000won a day. Of course, its all just on paper and doesn't mean anything till I sold it, but still, it can be nerve-racking. I sold it a couple months ago for 580,000 a share Laughing though I wish I had kept it, as its now around 700,000, and forecasted to go higher.

Let me know how it goes. The Seoul Investors Club sounds like a good source of info as well.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HapKi, Can you maintain a Korean brokerage even if you move to another country? Or would you have to sell when you no longer have an ARC card?
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL

PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once I set up my account, they ceased being interested in my ARC. I may have had to show it to them to prove who I am, as a form of ID, but thats it. Certainly not to prove that I currently have a job. The two go hand in hand, though, I realize that.

I've been told that if we left Korea, nothing would change as far as keeping my account. I suppose just changing my ARC ID to an American passport number or something. I don't know for sure. Like I said, I was given a program to allow me to do everything at my home computer (that I've never used). Unitl now, I've gone in and done my buys/sells face to face. You could call in your orders, as well, though I've never done that, either.

If you're interested in the program to do trading at home, make sure the brokerage house (and branch you use) has an English version for you.

Owning shares of Samsung Electric and others, I was given invitations to shareholders meetings, though I can't think of a more boring way to spend the afternoon. Also, dividends are given out occasionally, which are deposited into your account.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds pretty good, but will you be able to cash out from outside of Korea?
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
That sounds pretty good, but will you be able to cash out from outside of Korea?


Have a look at this.

http://www.wooriwm.com/eng/customer/body.htm

Procedures should be similar for all brokerages. Visit a branch office in person and discuss the possible scenarios:

Opening your account while a foreign resident of Korea is easy. But ask them what happens when you leave the country a few years later. How is that going to be handled? Will you need to close your account here first, and then open a new account as a non-resident once you're overseas? Can your residence status be changed online? etc.
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've bookmarked this site for up-to-the-minute Korean stock prices.
http://bestez.com/english/

Click Market, and then on the left side, Company. With the magnifying glass you can search for the Korean stock you want.
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