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[shalom]

[Troll_Bait]

Ever read Suns of God by Acharya S.?
Her tone is sometimes anti-religion, yet she concedes that Christianity succeeded in something very noble.
Christianity created a "once-and-for-all" human sacrifice, Jesus, thereby putting an end to human sacrifice
(the kinds described in the original post).
Except for rare exceptions, there has been no human sacrifice since the advent of Christianity.

[Gorgias]

@tweeterdj, sorry if that "burn you" comment sounded like a personal attack, it was not, I wouldn't know you from Adam (or Eve). I just mean to say that life is a strange and vicious animal.

When I was a kid I used to go hunting for the excitement of it, I didn't eat the small animals, instead I made shrines in the forest with them; I was a kid at that time, it was just a natural instinct to connect worship and God to life and death, certainly I wasn't the first-- or the billionth to make that link.

When I got a little bit older (and was in my mad period), I saw the movie "The Wicker Man" about this island off Britain where they still worshipped the old gods, they made this huge straw man and burnt it with people inside. I made a little mini version of the wicker man and burnt it, it was one of the most religious experiences of my life.

Glad someone brought up animal sacrifice, for anyone who has never slit the throught of a live animal, or put a knife through it's skull, I gaurantee you it is a powerfully religious experience. This is why just the fact of eating animals, and killing men, was for so long tied up with the ritual of sacrafice; later it became prayer at dinner, and then when the athiests came, they became vegitarians, because they had stopped paying the religious debt to God for taking life, their consciences hurt.

Further more @tweeterdj, just because I'm not into your goody-two-shoes version of Christianity doesn't mean I don't love the Lord. I'll have you know I am wearing the cross now, I have read the Bible in whole and in reverence twice, I have pilgrimaged to the Vatican in Rome and to the Church of the Holy Supulcher in Jerusalem, and I attend Church when I need to. In none of my posts on this forum have I ever disrespected Christians and have certainly not "attacked" them as you say, or for that matter, besides mentioning that there was a lot of Jesus-talk on this forum, ever even directly written a word about Jesus or Christianity.

Reveling in the horror of existence is just as much a part of respecting the God as the most tender and "sensitive," moral unction.

Peace be with you.

[chiaa]

[Xian]

[fiveeagles]

[seoulunitarian]

[seoulunitarian]

However, some Bibles contain different verse numberings:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/jps/eze021.htm

[fiveeagles]

Hey SU, glad to see you backing up what you are saying. Good on ya! Not that I agree with it, but at least you are trying to prove what you believe.

Personally, SU, our beliefs have to manifest the truths of the bible. Are we living in a context similiar to Jesus. If you don't agree on the same Jesus that most Christians do then you are practising another religion. Like I said in the other post, which you have never refuted, Jesus is the fuondation of our faith. If you don't agree on what He is and what He stands for, then all the rest becomes a slippery slope.

It becomes a slippery slope, because you can only walk in the revelation of scripture thruogh an intimate relationship with Christ. If you don't have a personal relationship then the scriptures become death and not life. If you want to refute this then answer my response to your past thread. ok?

[seoulunitarian]

I have never claimed to be an evanglical Christian. I am a thoroughly postmodern Unitarian Universalist, believing metaphysical truth to be practically relative to each individual. I do not believe there is no objective truth; simply that it's impossible to know. However, this is not at all what the original post is about.

Peace,
Daniel

[fiveeagles]

Then what are you looking for Daniel?

Why post controversial topics like "the bible says...this or that" If you don't believe in truth then what do you care?

What if I asked you this, since this topic seems to be very relevant, what about sexual abuse? What if a sexual offender thinks it his moral right to have sex with children? What then?

Or how about if someone wants to kill you? Who's view do we take?

I could understand why you wanted to start these threads if you really cared about what we thought, but do you?

[seoulunitarian]

[Gorgias]

Another interesting and related Bible story is when God accepted Abel��s animal sacrifice but rejected Cain��s sacrifice of fruit and grain. This story may be an ancient vestage of the seperation of society into herding and agricultural classes. Be that as it may, it helps us to remember God's special love for blood. There are several interpretaions, but it often strikes me that God wants what is deeply given, what comes from real pain, not just some fruits blithly plucked on the way to tempol. To paraphrase another Classic text, Aristotle told us that is would be 'absurd if happiness were the purpose of life, in light of all the struggles and agonies,' life would be a joke if good times bowling and cheerful stuffed bears were the meaning of life. Not that simple things don't have a place in life. The Bible was written to speak to just about everyone, and that includes war-lords sentenced to death, mass-killers, people who have sacraficed their brothers and sisters on the alter of lust and have eaten the bodies. Just 'cause we can't identify with Abraham really considering cutting his son't throught, it doesn't mean the Bible authors didn't have the wisdom and experience to speak to those people who actually have 'been there and done that;' that's part of what has mabe the Bible so enduring.

@fiveeagles, I seriously doubt that you mean "I only do what I see the Father do!" God is the chief genocider, the murder of everything that breathes, the burner of all who have been burnt. Come now. The most ethical thing we could do would be to overthrow God, not that we could even imagine how to start the rebelion.

As for the sexual assault issue, I think that is better covered by the Rape in the Bible thread.

[Nowhere Man]

[igotthisguitar]

History's most obvious form of bloody large scale human sacrifice
has always been WAR ...

Moloch
Ba'al
Moloch the God Ba'al, the Sacred Bull, was widely worshipped in the ancient Near East and wherever Carthaginian culture extended. Baal Moloch was conceived under the form of a calf or an ox or depicted as a man with the head of a bull.

Hadad, Baal or simply the King identified the god within his cult. The name Moloch is not the name he was known by among his worshippers, but a Hebrew translation. The written form Moloch (in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament), or Molech (Hebrew), is specifically Melech or king, transformed by reading it with the vowels of bosheth or 'shameful thing'.

He is sometimes also called Milcom in the Old Testament.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch