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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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This is a new low for Americans. You will do anything to justify the killing of innocent people, but heaven forbid we ever compare American blood to other blood. Screw being polite for this one. They did not specifically target people, otherwise they would have hit a much more populated area.
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The 9/11 Panel reports that captured al-Qaeda mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed said that Flight 93's target was the U.S. Capitol, which was given the code name "The Faculty of Law".
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Hitting the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol is not the best way to take out lots of people either and definitely helps to support the next quote...
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| In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country." |
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml
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| Statements of Al-Qaeda recorded after 9/11 are suggested to add weight to this speculation. In a 2004 video, apparently acknowledging responsibility for the attacks, bin Laden stated that he was motivated to "restore freedom to our nation", to "punish the aggressor in kind", and to inflict economic damage on America. He declared that a continuing objective of his holy war was to "[bleed] America to the point of bankruptcy". |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
Straight from the devil's mouth himself. |
You take him at his word. I bet Kim Il Sung made lots of speeches for peace.
I do find it interesting that many who are skeptical 'bout everything the US government says are perfectly willing the accept what ever Bin Laden or Saddam say.
Al Qaeda fights to gain Caliphate over much if not all of the world. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Besides what they fight for is more or less similar to what the Klan fights for.
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Okay, let's go with that analogy.
It's the 1930s, and the Klan leadership is hopping from town-to-town in the Southern Appalachians, relying on the kindness of pro-klan locals, while KKK foot soldiers are out lynching as many blacks as possible. The feds aren't getting any co-operation from the local police in those towns, many of whom are sympathetic to the klan. However, the feds do know which town the Klan leadership will be staying in on a given weekend, and they have a weapon capable of taking them out, along with any civilians who happen to be in the area. Would it be acceptable for the feds to launch that weapon against the town? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
This is a new low for Americans. You will do anything to justify the killing of innocent people, but heaven forbid we ever compare American blood to other blood. Screw being polite for this one. They did not specifically target people, otherwise they would have hit a much more populated area.
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The 9/11 Panel reports that captured al-Qaeda mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed said that Flight 93's target was the U.S. Capitol, which was given the code name "The Faculty of Law".
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Hitting the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol is not the best way to take out lots of people either and definitely helps to support the next quote...
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| In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country." |
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml
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| Statements of Al-Qaeda recorded after 9/11 are suggested to add weight to this speculation. In a 2004 video, apparently acknowledging responsibility for the attacks, bin Laden stated that he was motivated to "restore freedom to our nation", to "punish the aggressor in kind", and to inflict economic damage on America. He declared that a continuing objective of his holy war was to "[bleed] America to the point of bankruptcy". |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
Straight from the devil's mouth himself. |
You take him at his word. I bet Kim Il Sung made lots of speeches for peace.
I do find it interesting that many who are skeptical 'bout everything the US government says are perfectly willing the accept what ever Bin Laden or Saddam say.
Al Qaeda fights to gain Caliphate over much if not all of the world. |
Why would he lie about that? If he came up to me and said, "I love peace and would like to see the world happy." I would immediately think lie. But why would I ever believe the US government? If they aren't blantantly lying about things, their intel sucks crap. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Within the US the US ought to first use the military to restore order. However the option doesn't exist in Pakistan at least in the North west.
But infact the US did use much more force against the part of the US when US national security was threatened- during the civil war. I would be talking about the Burning of Atlanta. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Well they just nailed four terrorists so they suck that much.
Joo what do you mean by the Klan???????
Do you mean the tribal Clans??? |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Ahhh?  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Why would he lie about that? If he came up to me and said, "I love peace and would like to see the world happy." I would immediately think lie. But why would I ever believe the US government? If they aren't blantantly lying about things, their intel sucks crap. |
He is politically savy. He spins/ distorts things to help his cause.
That is why he would lie about it. Why do think that Bin Laden would not spin things? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah I can see the family resemblance |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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On the Other Hand: here's an excerpt I've always liked from Black Hawk Down for its practicalities...
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SSG Eversmann [Rangers]: You know, it's kind of funny. Beautiful beach, beautiful sun...this could almost be a good place to visit.
Hoot [Delta]: Almost.
Eversmann: You don't think we should be here.
Hoot: You know what I think? It don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that *beep* just goes right out the window. |
A lot of people are extremely critical of the U.S. (and there is little or no evidence on this board that they disagree with any of the Taliban, AQ, or the insurgency's actions, but I guess that's another point). They have forgotten that we are in the midst of a dangerous shooting war, and the time of debate has, for all practicalities, passed.
So, again, I think it is a shame those children were killed. It is almost as shameful as their parents inviting hunted terrorist leaders into their villages and homes for dinner and, probably, moral encouragement.
If they don't like being in the line of fire, they should stop aiding our enemies and get out of the line of fire. Because we are not going to stop until AQ's leaders are dead. We've already made that clear enough, after they destroyed the twin towers and attacked the mass transportation systems in Madrid and London. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Here is more information on the terrorists there who've deliberately targeted and kidnapped the innocent child of Americans Jim and Mary Beth Carroll and are threatening to execute her:
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"I want to speak directly to the men holding my daughter Jill because they may also be fathers like me," Jim Carroll said in the statement that aired Friday on the Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera.
"My daughter does not have the ability to free anyone. She is a reporter and an innocent person. Do not sacrifice an innocent soul ... as a father, I appeal to you to release my daughter for the betterment of all of us. And I ask the men holding my daughter to work with Jill to find a way to initiate a dialogue with me..."
On Thursday the hostage's mother, Mary Beth Carroll, publicly pleaded with the kidnappers "to release this young woman who has worked so hard to show the suffering of Iraqis to the world." |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/20/iraq.journalist/index.html |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I do find it interesting that many who are skeptical 'bout everything the US government says are perfectly willing the accept what ever Bin Laden or Saddam say. |
It is an interesting phenomenon, isn't it?
In the western hemisphere, they are also so willing to believe that the U.S. engineered the coup attempt against Chavez, but they will not hear any suggestion that Chavez appears to have run covert election ops in Bolivia, to aid Evo Morales.
Like I've said before, it is fascinating how the U.S. is the big, bad wolf in world affairs and everyone else is innocent and virtuous. These are the distorting effects of antiAmerican bias. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
On the Other Hand: here's an excerpt I've always liked from Black Hawk Down for its practicalities...
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SSG Eversmann [Rangers]: You know, it's kind of funny. Beautiful beach, beautiful sun...this could almost be a good place to visit.
Hoot [Delta]: Almost.
Eversmann: You don't think we should be here.
Hoot: You know what I think? It don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that *beep* just goes right out the window. |
A lot of people are extremely critical of the U.S. (and there is little or no evidence on this board that they disagree with any of the Taliban, AQ, or the insurgency's actions, but I guess that's another point). They have forgotten that we are in the midst of a dangerous shooting war, and the time of debate has, for all practicalities, passed.
So, again, I think it is a shame those children were killed. It is almost as shameful as their parents inviting hunted terrorist leaders into their villages and homes for dinner and, probably, moral encouragement.
If they don't like being in the line of fire, they should stop aiding our enemies and get out of the line of fire. Because we are not going to stop until AQ's leaders are dead. We've already made that clear enough, after they destroyed the twin towers and attacked the mass transportation systems in Madrid and London. |
You wouldn't like Hoot when he's angry...
Anyway, this entire discussion is becoming tiresome quickly. I'll come out and say it. I never met those kids. But I'm happy Al Qaeda leaders are dead. If we lived in a perfect world where intelligence was always right and smart bombs had a conscience these things wouldn't happen. But they do. It's a war, and the United States did worse things in their righteous struggle in WW2.
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| I would immediately think lie. But why would I ever believe the US government? If they aren't blantantly lying about things, their intel sucks crap. |
So what about Musharref's Pakistan? You think Musharref is telling the truth? I am almost confident that the Pakistani military approved of the strike, and yet, Musharref is pretending he didn't to protect his position. I wouldn't even be surprised if the US had suggested they do so! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: |
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But infact the US did use much more force against the part of the US when US national security was threatened- during the civil war. I would be talking about the Burning of Atlanta.
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I once read a quote from General Sherman about the Burning Of Atlanta, March To The Sea, etc. It went something along the lines of: "we will make war such a horrifying and traumatic experience for these people that they will never think of resorting to it again".
So, basically, the point of torching Atlanta was to punish the South, by traumatizing and terrorizing them. All well and good, but do you think that's what the US is trying to do to the people of Pakistan? Traumatize and terrorize them? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: |
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we should. History shows it works.
Ok, not pakistan because that would open up a whole new can of worms.
But Iraq? hell yeah. I've been arguing that on this board for over a year now. |
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