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jg
Joined: 27 May 2003
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When you make a statement like this, you are guilty of the same kind of dialect discrimination that the Koreans are participating in. Why isn't someone from Newfoundland or 'ALABAMA' just as qualified an English speaker as you? They do speak English in these places, just as you do. You may not like their accent or think it sounds 'hokey' or 'country', but they are communicating with their friends and neighbors in the same language that you are using. And they are required to have a 4 year-degree just like everyone else.
Are you saying that Newfoundland and 'ALABAMA' English is substandard and that their Universities are as well? How do you qualify that statement?
It seems to me that Koreans are no more hypocritical and do not participate any more in language/dialect discrimination than the people on this board. |
Mokpomujer,
Good post! Go chica!... go chica!... |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy: I feel for ya. Now feel for me, as I try to get a job in Europe. OH WAIT! Non-Europeans NEED. NOT. APPLY. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not European but I worked for a year in England. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy: I feel for ya. Now feel for me, as I try to get a job in Europe. OH WAIT! Non-Europeans NEED. NOT. APPLY. |
heh.
maybe itaewonguy has dual european citizenship, but I sure don't. Apart from the British working holiday visa (not allowed to do anything that even looks like making money) I have just as much opportunity to work in Europe as you.
Whiner - you have an EU passport. |
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Korea Newfie
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Newfoundland and Labrador
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Are koreans hypocrites regarding ESL!! |
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| mokpochica wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| So someone from Newfoundland or someone from ALABAMA is preferred just because their passports are from those countries... |
Why isn't someone from Newfoundland or 'ALABAMA' just as qualified an English speaker as you? |
Settle down  . Itaewonguy was merely pointing out the injustice in prefering someone just because of what their passport says. Coming from Newfoundland and Labrador, I know better than any of you (aside from my fellow Newfies) that he speaks the truth. While my accent is, unfortunately, not very pronounced due to attending university outside the province (coupled with the fact that a central Newfoundland accent isn't very strong to begin with), I have friends and relatives who speak with nothing even resembling the "North American" accent preferred by Koreans. I have cousins from the smaller communities who I often have to ask to repeat themselves or slow down because I can't make out what they're saying. Itaewonguy was simply pointing out that those people would be preferred to a non-NA'er, because our passport has said "Canada" for the last 54 years. His post served more, in my opinion, to underscore the ignorance of Koreans who have no idea what it means to demand a NA accent. (They insist that Korea accents vary widely from Seoul to *gasp* Jeju Island, and a person from one often can't understand the other. Yet they assume that from Nunavut to Texas, we all have the same.  )
As a Newfoundlander, I'm not offended by his accurate point. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| itaewonguy: I feel for ya. Now feel for me, as I try to get a job in Europe. OH WAIT! Non-Europeans NEED. NOT. APPLY. |
heh.
maybe itaewonguy has dual european citizenship, but I sure don't. Apart from the British working holiday visa (not allowed to do anything that even looks like making money) I have just as much opportunity to work in Europe as you.
Whiner - you have an EU passport. |
Yea, I know Aussies have equal footing with me about that, but I'm just pointing out that this discrimination based on nothing more than location happens everywhere.
Let's just revolt against affirmative action while we're having punch and cookies. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:38 am Post subject: |
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The school I worked for two years ago, and still keep in touch with, now has nothing other than Irish teachers (6 of 'em). The director likes them.
The kids haven't really noticed!!!
The parents don't seem to mind. They keep sending their kids there anyway.
Point is, the education of English can be done equally well by any of our nationalities.
I think the preference for North Americans arose due to the conservatism of Koreans.
'Be safe'. 'Go with the biggest and most obivious'.
I think there's signs of change though.
The Hagwon I've just signed up with wanted to hire me because apparently some parents complained that all the teachers were North American!!! The school now wants a broader cross-section of English accents. There ya go. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| So when ya comin', ya big lug? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Touchdown is 25th july. A friday. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Maybe I'll pass you by in Incheon. Flying out that day for a bit.
See ya in August then. |
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Homer
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At my first school we had one Scot, one kiwi, one american, 2 canadians and a South African.....no one minded much.
Also and did i miss something moko..but when did Newfoundland and Alabama become countries???  
Finally, I think some Korean parents have hopes that are too high for their kids concerning English ability. I found that most however knew what they were getting and did the most with it. Having met many parents in person I found they have realistic hopes for what their kids could acheive in Regards to English.
Of course these kids or adults will not end up speaking English as a native. they will keep somesort of "korean" accent mush like the japanese, italians, spaniards and others for whom English is a second language. Nothing novel about that.... |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Are koreans hypocrites regarding ESL!! |
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| mokpochica wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| So someone from Newfoundland or someone from ALABAMA is preferred just because their passports are from those countries... |
When you make a statement like this, you are guilty of the same kind of dialect discrimination that the Koreans are participating in. Why isn't someone from Newfoundland or 'ALABAMA' just as qualified an English speaker as you? They do speak English in these places, just as you do. You may not like their accent or think it sounds 'hokey' or 'country', but they are communicating with their friends and neighbors in the same language that you are using. And they are required to have a 4 year-degree just like everyone else.
Are you saying that Newfoundland and 'ALABAMA' English is substandard and that their Universities are as well? How do you qualify that statement?
It seems to me that Koreans are no more hypocritical and do not participate any more in language/dialect discrimination than the people on this board. |
I think korea newfie and gang a gee have answered the question you ask!
If you read my post again you will understand where I am coming from.
And yes a matter of fact I do have dual citizenship. so working in eroupe is no problem for me.. well as long as they are not racist like many koreans are.. NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS FROM NORTH AMERICA ONLY!
NO BLACKS, NO ASIAN AMERICANS, OR ARAB AMERICANS!
NO BRITISH! no kiwis, aussies...
JUST WHITE MODELS PLEASE!! hahhahahahaa
Is their a blacklist in the korean sites duam or yahoo.kr?
I think we need to come down on serious issues and hit home have a huge site based on ESL teachers in korea website.. blacklisting recruiters and schools from the word from the teachers.. that will put the mothers in more control and perhaps educate them alittle..
most blacklists are just to protect us.. but for some reason we keep getting reports from the same schools and recruiters years later or even months later.. DONT PEOPLE CHECK THE BLACK LIST before coming here first time?? |
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Trinny
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| I am not choosy with accent, as long as I learn English. |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Just let them have what they want! I don't think there could be any kind of social obligation in choosing one accent over another. After all it's all business we are talking about. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure.
Parents don't seem to understand that a dose of 5 hours a week isn't enough.
If they want their kids to really learn English, they must converse in English with their kids at home.
Likewise, adult students don't seem to understand that a dose of 5 hours a week isn't enough.
If they really want to learn English, they must converse in English with other English students. |
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