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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| .... or a peanut head. |
I agree somewhat with the high prices of the brew at the corner stores...you think the prices you mentioned are bad?...the shyster across the way charges 1,900 for a 500mL can...too much in my mind. Buy at a bigger grocery store or supermarket. Buy a 12-pack or more. My wife has done all kinds of price comparisons on the stuff(god love her) and she has found that the 12-pack of 500mL bottles is the best bargain. If you like pitchers, I also recommend trying the ones at Kyo-cheon Chicken if you have it in your area as they have a nice darker draft there. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| denverdeath wrote: |
| jacl wrote: |
| .... or a peanut head. |
I agree somewhat with the high prices of the brew at the corner stores...you think the prices you mentioned are bad?...the shyster across the way charges 1,900 for a 500mL can...too much in my mind. Buy at a bigger grocery store or supermarket. Buy a 12-pack or more. My wife has done all kinds of price comparisons on the stuff(god love her) and she has found that the 12-pack of 500mL bottles is the best bargain. If you like pitchers, I also recommend trying the ones at Kyo-cheon Chicken if you have it in your area as they have a nice darker draft there. |
Not in my neck of the woods. All I know is 1300/can. I don't buy bottles because they could fall and break when riding home on my bike. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
jac...you said: "I'd like to challenge you to post 5 things you don't like about Korea"
Was just taking up the "challenge".... |
I said that? When and where? You quoted, but I don't remember me saying that.
I don't care about that kind of thing too much, so it surprises me. Give me a link. Maybe I was drunk or something. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Good lord, man. Read at least some of the thread. Try page 3. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Are any of the apologists on this board E-2 holders? |
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| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
I have noticed something.
The chief apologists of this board seem to have visas other than E-2s -- meaning they are either married to a Korean (and entitled to more rights because of this), hold working visas other than an E-2s (no, I'm not talking about you, J-Guru), or are Korean/Gyopos.
It's easy to be an apologist when you enjoy more rights based on your status. |
The E-2 visa does sound like a real hassle from everything I've read on Dave's, and it seems to be getting worse. But every foreigner, regardless of visa status, is going to encounter stress in the course of their life in Korea. No getting around that.
When you say "working visas other than an E-2", you're primarily talking about F-2 visa-holders, right? Apart from greater legal rights, less tedious job- and immigration-related red tape, etc., I think the huge difference for foreigners on the F-2 is that they don't simply have _a spouse_. It's not just someone they can come home to, someone to help share the burden, do the laundry, share their excitement, fun, pain and anxieties with. No, they've also got a Korean-speaking personal secretary, interpreter, researcher, gofer, buffer and protector.
Having one of those to run interference for you when required, to find phone numbers and place calls for you when required, to chase down answers to vital questions, solutions to major problems, to track down the right forms and fill them out in hangul for you, to keep you apprised of announcements & deadlines that might not appear anywhere in English, to brave the crowds at the supermarket when you're too busy or beat to shop, etc. -- having one of those around is instantly going to make Korea a much easier place to deal with for a lot of people.
For many expats I know who arrived here single and then later met & married a Korean, this country became a cakewalk by comparison. The pressure was off, the level of confusion and anxiety minimised instantly. They suddenly no longer fear Korean immigration, they suddenly no longer fear their Korean employers or landlords, they suddenly no longer dread having to deal with Korean individuals or institutions quite as much (bank loans, mobile phones, credit cards, internet accounts, etc.).
They describe feeling more safe and secure here after obtaining the F-2. They exhale for the first time since arriving. They look more content and c0cky that single expats. They look at Korea and their lives here altogether differently and imagine themselves belonging. In a sense, they didn't just acquire a wife or a husband, as would be the case if they were in their own country, but a real live "Korea insider". A spy. A scout. A bodyguard. Protection.
When you have somebody to sand down some of Korea's rougher edges for you, the whole complexion of this place improves and you won't be in a biatchy, Korea-bashy frame of mind as often. |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Will the person who keeps talking about beer, please be quiet? No one and I mean no one cares about you paying 500 won more for beer at the bus station. You sound like an Alchoholic.
The rambling thoughts of the poor alchoholic:
30 dollars has to last 7 days and that means 5 bottles a day...one every 4 hours. My welfare check will arrive on the seventh day at around 10 o'clock...and I will just have enough time to cash it and buy more beer.........
Yes, I have a f2-1 visa. Though I don't really understand the importance since I am not an apologist. I usually hate you all equally (Korean and Western). |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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starch
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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I have a D8.
The only extra privilege I can call to mind is that there is a dedicated section for us at Incheon immigration, with diplomats.
Oh, I do get respect at Mokdong, and now only have to go every other year.
Other than that? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Well, I have an F5. But I wouldnt say Im an apologist. But I generally find Korea to be a great place to live. Perhaps it has something to do with the F5 or with what Jongnoguru said about having the spouse do all the hard work for me. But I find the whole premise of this thread pretty absurd. Its as if Equus' point of view on Korea is the right one and everyone who has a positive view of Korea is an apologist. I dont think thats correct. I think both extremes are pretty stupid. Korea is neither a hellhole that some make it out to be nor is it a paradise. Its a normal country with its share of positives and negatives we all have to deal with. I did it on an E2, and F2-1 and now an F5. Perhaps instead of whining about how bad Korea is you should try and enjoy it. Yes, it IS possible. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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sugar
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Re-reading the OP, you say you "noticed someting" that led you to thinking "F" visa holders, or rather anyone who isn't an "E-2" holder, is an "apologist". |
Quite the leap in logic you make there. I suggest you re-read the OP again until you understand the difference in "apologists have F2s" and "F2s are apologists." |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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flour
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Demophobe wrote: |
Perhaps you are right, thundaar.
| BBE wrote: |
Are any of the apologists on this board E-2 holders?
I have noticed something.
The chief apologists of this board seem to have visas other than E-2s -- meaning they are either married to a Korean (and entitled to more rights because of this), hold working visas other than an E-2s (no, I'm not talking about you, J-Guru), or are Korean/Gyopos.
It's easy to be an apologist when you enjoy more rights based on your status." |
Ok...first, let's list all the "apologists" on the board then. Again, I haven't the energy to do it, so BBE could post his/her list.
BBE generally thinks (for some reason) that "apologists" ae other than E2 holders. So, apologists are "F" holders. "F" holders are apologists. No?
BBE didn't mention "F" holders specifically...could be anyone outside E2.
So, you say that the statements 'F holders are apologists' and 'apologists hold Fs' are so different? |
What he means is that apologists hold the F via but not all F visa holders are apologists. Its like all dogs are mammals but not all mammals are dogs or all dogs have 4 legs but no all 4 legged animals are dogs. But this whole premise is stupid because what is an apologists? Someone who disagrees with BBE and likes things about Korea? |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| I'd like to challenge you to post 5 things you don't like about Korea, without hedging and bringing comparisons of Canada into the picture. |
5- Swimming Season that lasts only 2 months (weird)
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How's that bad? It's great.. it means that theres 2 or 3 more months you can go swimming without everywhere being full of people. Though you do have to put-up with Koreans telling you you'll catch a cold if you go to the beach in September, even if it is 27degrees.. |
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canuckistan
Mod Team
Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
No need to debate a foolish line of thought.
I see another non E-2 has entered the thread.
Oh, and Hapki... yet another.
Does anyone have anything intelligent to add? |
Here's a simple explanation: some people like/love Korea and aren't bothered by its eccentricities, real or perceived. |
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