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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Never heard of him. |
Then I'm sorry but I can't help thinking you are out of your depth in this debate.
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| Name something that he's done that I'll be able to recognize instantly, say, like the Jaws theme or the march from Empire Strikes Back. |
Sounds like you're basing your judgement on how 'catchy' the film scores are, but see below.
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| Give me some point of reference for knowing this guy's work, and how it's so great as to make the others pale by comparison. |
The good the bad and the ugly as already mentioned, and yet it apparently doesn't ring a bell for you... 
The Mission?!?
(which is my favorite film score, tied with Ted Lee's score for Do the right thing)
Cinema Paradiso?
Once upon a time in America?
The Untouchables?
Jesus H, man! Seriously!
Bugsy?
Days of heaven?
A fistful of dollars?
Here's what gets me- I'm not certain Ennio Morricone is the be all and end all compared to Williams and Elfman and John Barry, but he is certainly a peer and a contender.
If you were to disagree, well fine. Music is subjective and we all have different tastes.
But to talk about the giants of film scoring and profess absolute ignorance of the man? !?
Incredible...
But if course the thread is supposed to be about the Greatest Actor... |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| But if course the thread is supposed to be about the Greatest Actor... |
Yeah, let's talk some more about Tony Danza.
Sparkles*_* |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| I had to check that site for Morricone because he's so obscure. |
WTF?!? Seriously man...
He is THE MAN for film scores, and I'm sure Elfman and Williams would agree if you could ask them. |
Never heard of him.
Name something that he's done that I'll be able to recognize instantly, say, like the Jaws theme or the march from Empire Strikes Back. Give me some point of reference for knowing this guy's work, and how it's so great as to make the others pale by comparison. |
I refuse to believe you're a fan of music in film but haven't heard of Ennio Morricone.
Anyone with the slightest interest in movie scores will immediately quote Morricone. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
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| I had to check that site for Morricone because he's so obscure. |
WTF?!? Seriously man...
He is THE MAN for film scores, and I'm sure Elfman and Williams would agree if you could ask them. |
Never heard of him.
Name something that he's done that I'll be able to recognize instantly, say, like the Jaws theme or the march from Empire Strikes Back. Give me some point of reference for knowing this guy's work, and how it's so great as to make the others pale by comparison. |
I refuse to believe you're a fan of music in film but haven't heard of Ennio Morricone.
Anyone with the slightest interest in movie scores will immediately quote Morricone. |
Well, I have more than a slight interest in movie scores and I have never heard of him.
I spent my first year in college at Berklee, in Boston, as a jazz performance and arranging major, where we reviewed several scores. I changed majors and directions in life, obviously, but have never stopped loving music, or film. I usually pay attn to who scores any film I like. I saw Rumble Fish just because Steward Copeland scored it. Same thing for Pat Metheny's score behind the Falcon and the Snowman, which I very much enjoyed.
I never saw most of the films referenced above. I never saw the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. So, no, I've never seen a film that this guy is associated with, and I've never heard his name mentioned before seeing it on this thread.
Don't know what else to say to you guys. I'm sure, from what you're saying, he's a top scorer. But to say that I am out of my depth because I've never heard of him isn't accurate in this instance.
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| But to say that I am out of my depth because I've never heard of him isn't accurate in this instance. |
Yes it is.
To say you're interested in movie scores but haven't heard of Morricone is like saying you're interested in boxing but haven't heard of Muhammed Ali.
I don't know exactly how much you know about the scores of particular movies but you shouldn't say you're a fan of movie scores but have never heard of Ennio Morricone. That just sounds ridiculous. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Like I said, I started here, years ago...
http://www.berklee.edu/departments/film_scoring.html
and his name was never mentioned. John Williams's was, repeatedly. Granted, I only did a year. But it was a rather intense year, starting, I recall, in Santa Fe. And getting accepted in the first place was no cake-walk. I tested into third-year arranging and theory.
So, sorry for not knowing who this guy is. But I still know something about the field. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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 Ennio Morricone (born November 10, 1928) is an Italian composer, especially noted for his film scores. He has composed the scores of more than 500 films and TV series. Although only 30 of these are for Western films, it is for this work which he is best known. Morricone's sparse style of composition for the genre is particularly exemplified by the soundtracks of the classic spaghetti westerns, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Sergio Leone, 1966) and Once Upon a Time in the West (Sergio Leone, 1968). In more recent years, his haunting scores for The Mission (Roland Joffé, 1986), The Untouchables (Brian DePalma, 1987), and Cinema Paradiso (Giuseppe Tornatore, 1988) have demonstrated his giftedness and the power of his work. [from Wikipedia article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennio_Morricone ]
In fairness to "Gopher" his interest in film scores has probably been for films of the last fifteen years-or so, and the last major western film scored by Morricone on this list is 1988's Cinema Paradiso. As far as I know, "Gopher" hasn't claimed to be a student of film score history. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Not a student of film score history. I think he's before my time, too.
In any case, I'll be checking this guy's work out soon. So at least I can say I've been turned on to him. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: |
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So, no, I've never seen a film that this guy is associated with, and I've never heard his name mentioned before seeing it on this thread.
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You never saw Robert deNiro and Jeremy Irons in The Mission?
Or Sean Connery and Kevin Costner in The Untouchables?
Warren Beatty and Annette Benning in Bugsy?
You've got some good film viewing to look forward to. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
So, no, I've never seen a film that this guy is associated with, and I've never heard his name mentioned before seeing it on this thread.
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You never saw Robert deNiro and Jeremy Irons in The Mission?
Or Sean Connery and Kevin Costner in The Untouchables?
Warren Beatty and Annette Benning in Bugsy?
You've got some good film viewing to look forward to. |
Never seen any of those films, man. I've been avoiding anything that had Costner's name on it for as long as I can remember, although I must plead guilty to not having seen The Missions yet, being a Latin Americanist and all.
Different kinds of film and other tastes, I think.
Have you seen Mikhalkov's Burnt by the Sun? (If not, you should, I've seen it about a dozen times and highly recommend it.)
Have you ever heard of John Scofield, Mike Stern, or Nana Vasconcelos?
And eanno: Muhammed who? (just kidding) |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Even Denzel Washinton, you walk into a scene with Pacino, and the man will own you. |
Not disagreeing with ya about Pacino, but if I compare Denzel's and Al's corrupt law enforcer movies (in Training Day and The Recruit).... Um, I'll give that one to Denzel. That may just be cuz the movie and his role was better, though.
I'll admit I'm biased- for some reason I've been obsessed with friggin' Training Day since I watched it on video for the second time a couple months ago... Then I watched it ten more times over the next two weeks. Haha...
Don't know why I love it so much, but I put my vote up for Denzel just from his asskickery in Training Day. |
You'll get no argument from me there. I do agree, if we cut it down specifically to The Recruit and Training Day, Denzel kicks a s s. But I feel that might be because Training Day was so much better all round as a movie. I too have watched it heaps. It's one for the books, a stand out, perhaps not quite as universal as Shawshank, but it's a great drama, and a powerful morality tale, with some kickass action, and Denzel swaggering like you wouldn't believe. Can anyoone be more confident than this guy? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I think alot of people here who are saying one actor is better than the others becuase the way his character was portrayed or comparing two great actors on screen at the same, who was better? come on!!!
thats crazy!! one guy said Deniro was better in the cafe scene in HEAT,,
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his character is a criminal and an intelligent one! so his portrayal of Neil McCauley. McCauley, can be on the one hand a ruthless robber and cold-hearted killer, on the other a warm friend and tender lover. And, despite his life of crime, McCauley's human side shows through. He will not kill unless he must, as seen through his anger at Waingro and bank heist. His warmer side shows through his relationships with his friends and girlfriend Eady.
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| pacino seems to be trying every single word for its hidden nuance, |
Pacino: As always, he delivers an intense performance, here as Hanna, a workaholic obsessed with catching his man, while also fighting a losing battle to save his personal relationships. He may seem just the harsh cop, but he cares about every man under his command, about his stepdaughter, and, yes, even about McCauley. Through Hanna, Pacino shows just how torn such a man can be. Hanna demonstrates both coldness and compassion, both anger and sensitivity.
BASICALLY the scene in the diner was brilliant!!
both actors express the emotions of their characters! its wasnt a competition between DENIRO VS PACINO! who is the better actor!
they are both amazing character actors! with a doubt!
pacino couldnt of played Max Cady(cape fear) like deniro did NOWAY!
and deniro couldnt of played TONY MONTANA like pacino did!
they are both amazing actors! and should not be compared!
they both chose different roles!
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Not disagreeing with ya about Pacino, but if I compare Denzel's and Al's corrupt law enforcer movies (in Training Day and The Recruit).... Um, I'll give that one to Denzel. That may just be cuz the movie and his role was better, though.
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these are two different movies! and not really alike!
denzel was amazing in this! no doubt!
want to compare films?
Remember the Titans - Coach Herman Boone- Denzel
Any Given Sunday - Tony D'Amato
both actors have made the same amount of films!
42!
but they are completely different actors!
both great! |
Das ezzakly right maing, an' remember dis... in dis country, first you get the money, then when you get the money you get the power, then when you get the power you get the *****... |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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As for her ability to play uninhibited, she got a crack at it in "Adaptation" and did an amazing job. I'll bet she's got a seedy side we haven't seen. In fact, I'll wager she's a tiger in the sack too.
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She had sex in "Adaptation", and she managed to appear like she enjoyed it, but that, my dear Kermo, was not sizzle, that was not sultry, it was not hot... |
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lawyertood
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Incheon and the World--working undercover for the MOJ
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| On the female side I'd like to put forth Jodie Foster. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: |
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i've never really understood "Morgan Freeman".
I mean, is there something to "get" about him? None of his characters seem that well developed (IMHO)...just...nothing ever seems to jump out.
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Might not change your mind, but to explain what other people see in him. The word for Morgan Freeman is "gravitas". |
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