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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Rteacher wrote: |
In order to enter another plane of existence a spiritual process is required.
All of us took birth in a particular family, in a particular country, on a particular planet, in a particular universe... The Vedic view is that nothing happens by chance: According to our mental states at the end of our previous lives we got the kinds of bodily situations we have now...
Others have taken birth on other planets in different kinds of human bodies that are on more subtle planes of existence. Therefore, even if such planets are reached by mechanical spacecraft the intelligent forms of life there can not be perceived by our very limited range of material vision (though more advanced beings on higher planets could perceive us - and even manifest themselves to be seen by us if they chose to reveal themselves...)
Reportedly, mystic yogis in previous ages could calculate when and how to exit their bodies, and they could visit other planets and universes by going there in a suitable subtle body. Because the present age is characterized by so many disturbances such "astral travel" is extremely difficult to execute, and that process is not recommended by Vedic spiritual authorities. Since all material planets ultimately are places of death, they recommend transferring our conciousness to the spiritual sky beyond all material universes through a devotional process - bhakti yoga. (Any bona-fide religion practiced purely is also bhakti yoga...) |
It's quite easy to believe there are other planes of existence. We are capable of imagining a 2 dimensional being going around in 3 dimentions. Imagine a cup and a 2d creature. It wants to get from one side to the other, so it walks all the way down the cup, along the bottom, and then up the other side. It does this because that looks like the straightest (and hence closest) way. But we would just go around the outside rim of the cup, cutting time down immensly. What you call a spiritual plane, I just call another plane. We can't see it, but they can probably see us. So technically I agree on this point in theory (can't prove it), but I can do it without mumbo jumbo. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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Rteacher,
How do you know all this stuff (God having likes and dislikes, astral planes, other incarnations, etc.....etc.....) Do you have a direct line? My god! You should either get a TV show or tape yourself and listen to how strange you sound.....
We know diddly squat, all the history and holy books don't make a dent in that hole....I still go by the Socratic dictum (besides his other wise words to his students.......think of the good every day) that "we learn so we may know that we know nothing....." Knowledge is a zero sum game.
You can believe in magic carpets, I'll settle for a bed and my girl's warmth.......
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Well, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction (... I'm referring, of course, to your having a girl friend  ) (Just kidding - no offense - I can't resist making corny jokes...  ) |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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The natural can not exist without the supernatural.
Thus, God created the universe.
Why? Because He COULD.
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel i didn't even bother to read your last post,-forgive me- it just jumped off the page venomously so i thought I'd give it a miss.
But how about this..
1 Cor: 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 14: 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Gal 5: 22 &23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. |
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Gorgias
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| I fight fundimenatlist athiests just as hard as you fundimentalist Christians |
You know it brother/sister!
@raper, you're a bone head, I doubt you even believe the junk you quote and write.
OP, I saw your question put this way too: "Why is there anything at all (and not simply nothing)? There just are no answers to your question for humans. The post about peote is fairly accurate, but you can also study and reflect late into the night in isolation and on a small diet for weeks or months on end and get the same trip drug free and without having to get shrooms or buy a ticket to Mexico.
Personally, I had a lot of problems with these sorts of questions too around the turn of the millenium. Try to focus on simple pleaures: excavations can not be escaped by digging. Or take a cycle of a benzodiazepine.
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| .........I guess drug-screening isn't all that extensive or effective yet as evidenced by some of the posts on this forum... |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Why is there a universe.... how is that any different from why do we exist, which is just a variation on is there a god? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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These types of questions demonstrate the failure of our language (the tool we use to describe the universe) as well as our failure to understand the universe enough to use language to describe it.
That, and I dunno.
Lastly, I love you all.
dg |
I think they better demonstrate how shittin-bricks scared people are, or how empty lives are. But the opposite could just as equally be argued.
Thus, what's the point? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Only in the human form of life does the living entity have a developed enough consciousness to seriously inquire into the nature of existence: Where did we come from? Where are we going? Why are we forced to grow old and die? What is spirit? What is matter? What is God?
If we fail to ask and try to find the answers to these questions then we've effectively wasted the special human form of life, and we run the risk of taking birth in lower species of life (that also eat, sleep, have sex, fight and defend themselves - but under nastier conditions...)
The ancient Vedic knowledge of India recommends inquiring from a self-realized soul who has seen the truth - a universal guru or spiritual master. |
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ujgnawg
Joined: 26 Jul 2005
Location: Trapped on a peninsula
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: |
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The universe exists to entertain and to humble. Spirit without matter is boundless and bored. The spirit in all matter is one and the variety and choice that the material universe provides is rich and infinite. A candle in the sun is lost; a candle flickering in deep space has an awareness unavailable elsewhere.
In the symphony that is our universe, humans are individual notes entering into the exchange of ideas. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| ujgnawg wrote: |
The universe exists to entertain and to humble. Spirit without matter is boundless and bored. The spirit in all matter is one and the variety and choice that the material universe provides is rich and infinite. A candle in the sun is lost; a candle flickering in deep space has an awareness unavailable elsewhere.
In the symphony that is our universe, humans are individual notes entering into the exchange of ideas. |
So when do you return to your spaceship and depart? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| we run the risk of taking birth in lower species of life (that also eat, sleep, have sex, fight and defend themselves - but under nastier conditions...). |
thats interesting RTeacher. In which case there must be so incredibly more spirits inhabiting insects and bacteria than the priveledged few to be in human form?
hmm..But how can a spirit progress if it is born into a modern human that has no spirituality? Like an atheist? Will they become insects, bugs, next time round? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| I fight fundimenatlist athiests just as hard as you fundimentalist Christians |
You know it brother/sister!
@raper, you're a bone head, I doubt you even believe the junk you quote and write.
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You mean the bible? ..you certainly appear to be mighty confused there georgias. One moment you say you're a committed christian, the next you're glorifying rape and violence, offhandedly insulting others, and then despising fundamentalist christians.
Lay off the crack. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
I think they better demonstrate how *beep*-bricks scared people are, or how empty lives are. But the opposite could just as equally be argued.
Thus, what's the point? |
Well..I think the world is divided into two planes of existence, the spiritual and the physical. Success in this world pertains to obeying the laws of the physical- thus your life can be deemed rich if you have competed well enough in the jungle to own several mercs and your own company, and have a supermodel for a wife and a condo in antigua: you have succeeded in the temporary physical world by exploiting others, outcompeting the opposition, and spreading your DNA widely.
But the spiritual demands you sacrifice these interests in order to pursue what is eternal. Thus someone without all mod cons who's priority in life is to store up riches in heaven, may be deemed to have an empty existence. "She's a great friendly person but she does drive a beat up volvo and give half her money to the beggars in the town square". |
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