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[nautilus]

[Rteacher]

I would think that the fetus's adopting that defensive posture lends more credence to the argument that it is often under attack by things that cause it to experience pain. (My problem has been finding medical proof that microorganisms commonly exist within the womb...)

[Merlyn]

In any case, I'm sure what's happening to the baby in the womb isn't the equivilent of being eaten alive by mosquitoes or ants like your suggesting. You're actually looking for medical proof though Rteacher, why bother, if it says in vedic scripture this is a traumatic experience, it just is. You don't need any proof.

[Satori]

[EFLtrainer]

[EFLtrainer]

[Grotto]

[Rteacher]

The following is from the work of an Indian devotee scientist, and he quotes extensively from the ancient Bhagavat Purana verses that I was referring to:

"... Burnet remarked about this sperm cell as ��It is intimidating thought that there is more information on organic chemical synthesis packed into the head of a spermatozoon than in all the 200 volumes of the Journal of Biochemical Chemistry.��13 According to vedic literatures, spiritual particle, spiriton (soul) enters this sperm cell which then fertilizes the ovum, the female gamate, to form a single cell called zygote. The various stages of development of embryo in the womb of the mother are described in Srimad Bhagavatam3.31.2-4, 3.31.10, 3.31.22-23:��On the first night, the sperm and ovum mix (to form zygote), and on the fifth night the mixture ferments into a bubble (blastocyst). On the tenth night it develops into a formlike a plum, and after that, it gradually turns into a lump of flesh.����In the course of a month, a head is formed, and at the end of two months the hands, feet and other limbs take shape. By the end of three months, the nails, fingers, toes, body hair,bones and skin appear, as do the organ of generation and the other apertures in the eyes ,nostrils, ears, mouth and anus.��Within four months from the date of conception, the seven essential ingredients of thebody, namely chyle, blood, flesh, fat, bone, marrow and semen, come into existence. At the end of five months, hunger and thirst make themselves felt, and at the end of six months, the fetus, enclosed by the amnion, begins to move on the right side of the abdomen.��Deriving its nutrition from the food and drink taken by the mother, the fetus grows and remains in that abominable residence of stools and urine, which is the breeding place of all kinds of worms.��Placed within the amnion and covered outside by the intestines, the child remains lying on one side of the abdomen, his head turned towards his belly and his back and neck arched like a bow.��Thus endowed with the development of consciousness from the seventh month after his conception, the child is tossed downward by the airs that press the embryo during the weeks preceding delivery. Like the worms born of the same filthy abdominal cavity, he cannot remain in one place.��Lord Kapila continued: The ten-month-old living entity has these desires even while in the womb. But while he thus extols the Lord, the wind that helps part urition propels him forth with his face turned downward so that he may be born. Pushed downward all of a sudden by the wind, the child comes out with great trouble, head downward, breathless and deprived of memory due to severe agony..."
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:coTxLgcUk8sJ:www.metanexus.net/conference2005/pdf/td_singh.pdf+vedic+bhagavat+purana+description+of+life+within+the+womb&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3[size=9][/size]

[Merlyn]

[Grotto]

[Rteacher]

Keep in mind, "Grotto" et al, that according to the unbroken chain of disciplic succession that is transmitting this knowledge it was compiled about 5000 years ago - a time when most scientists speculate only primitive cavemen existed. Lord Kapila appeared as an incarnation of Vishnu - millions of years ago.

The fifth incarnation, named Lord Kapila, is foremost among perfected beings. He gave an exposition of the creative elements and metaphysics to Asuri Brahmana, for in course of time this knowledge had been lost.
http://www.bhagavata.org/canto1/chapter3.html

So-called great modern scientists don't know crap about what kind of intellectual and spiritual life existed in so-called pre-historic times - especially in India (as opposed to areas inhabited by barbaric meat-eaters...) And, "Grotto", I'm curious: Do you ever hear your students say things that sound like "pabo chanji" and "tak mori" when they huddle together, giggle and point to you...?

[Grotto]

[Rteacher]

Fortunately, I'm not one of your students, so I can call you "GarbagemouthO"

Actually, for-the-most-part, all types of humans, civilized and barbaric, have coexisted. In India, there has always been religion in the mode of goodness (worshippers of the Supreme Lord Vishnu) as well as worshippers in lower modes of nature (passion and ignorance) who worship demigods and rats, whatever...

As far as diet, the main point is not what one eats - but whether it is unnecessarily killed or not. If someone is implicated in a great deal of unnecessary killing of animals and, consequently, so many sinful reactions it is very difficult to realize spiritual knowledge beyond the material body.

Jesus tried to elevate people in a basically barbaric region to the mode of goodness, but they barbarically killed him. And in time everything - even religious teachings by great empowered direct representatives of God like Jesus - become corrupted by materialistic religionists so there is need of periodic revival of the original message. (In the case of Christianity, if Jesus said that he will personally come again, he will...) Jesus also (in the opinion of some experts) also authored the "Essene Gospel of Peace" indicating that he personally followed and advocated a natural raw foods vegetarian diet (along with milk and honey...)
http://www.soystache.com/jesus.htm

[Satori]

Houseton, we have a very serious problem. We're losing coms, engine failure. We're beaking up, we're breaking up...

[Rteacher]

Yeah, but ultimately that problem was solved, and the mission was a success (... I actually played a NASA VIP - Astronaut Frank Borman's uncle - in the HBO mini-series From the Earth to the Moon, and the camera actually did a close-up of me when the Apollo 13 mission was in trouble... )