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patchy
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http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6698&page=1&pp=10
Electrocution is just one of the methods of killing dogs here. There's also beating, hanging and strangulation. Cats are also boiled alive and eaten; they're caught, put in a sack and beaten to death. I had to rescue a cat from such a fate recently after a Korean neighbor told me a guy who had caught a cat was going to skin and eat it.
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Millions of Dogs in Korea beaten to death barbarically for dog meat.
This cruel practice must end...
If I told you In South Korea, it is common to eat dogs. This is not done in a humane manner, but by torturing them to death by hanging, strangulation,and beatings with such objects as bricks, large rocks, heavy rod-like objects and electrocution. They do this for long periods of time in order toterrorize and cause great suffering to the animal. They die a very slow andpainful death. This brutal execution is done to dogs, because many SouthKoreans believe the flesh from a dog who is tortured .....
Many Koreans still believe that if one eats dog meat from dogs that havebeen tortured to death, it will make them more sexually active. The marketing of dog meat as a health food was initiated and perpetuated by thedog meat dealers to keep their billion dollar businesses going. The rationale behind savagely beating a dog to death lies in the primitivenessthat when a dog is beaten they produce high levels of adrenaline hence theselling of their meat as a kind of "natural" viagra for impotence andvitality! This adrenaline rush is achieved by hanging dogs from ropes on trees and leaving them to slowly strangle to death, and then while still alive, theirfur is blowtorched off.
..... The Korean government does not enforce its animal welfare laws so peoplemake an assumption that farming dogs, slaughtering them and selling theirmeat is legal. It is not. The sale and cooking of dogs is illegal underKorea's food and sanitation laws.
http://www.idausa.org/news/currentne...e_bark_in.html
South Korea��s laws prohibiting the consumption of dogs and cats have beenroutinely ignored and disregarded by law enforcement. Korea��s Ministry forthe Office of Government Policy Coordination announced in January that it was to begin inspecting dog meat for sanitation, thus giving dog meat its seal of approval. The Government promised that it was backing away from thisdeplorable plan in February after being inundated with thousands of letters,phone calls, and e-mails from concerned citizens and animal protectionistsaround the world. However, the Government is once again leaning towardsupporting the Ministry��s back door efforts to legalize dog meat. Before dogs are killed for meat, they are often strung up by their legs and beaten. Dog butchers extol ....
Scandal in South Korea.
..... Many Koreans claim that eating dogs is a long tradition although othersbelieve that eating dogs only began as a result of the Korean war, when starvation was rife. The popularity today has come about because dog dealers and restaurants began to invent stories about the health benefits tobe gained from eating dog meat. In order to meet the demand for dog meat (estimated at 2-2.8 million dogs and cats per year), farms exist throughout the country to breed these animals for slaughter. Dog meat, at £15 Sterling per kilo, costs more than beef and is eaten more than lamb.Dogs can commonly be seen in Korean markets being killed (hopefully) by hammer blows to the head before being skinned. Sometimes the dog iselectrified instead, with electrodes fixed to the tongue. Yet another favoured method is slow strangulation by hanging. The flesh is then singedby a blowtorch to improve its appearance. On some occasions, the animal remains alive throughout, eventually dying from shock. This is all performed in full view of other dogs crammed in cages awaiting the same fate. The Koreans actually believe that the adrenaline released into the dogs'bloodstreams by their sheer terror and agony will increase the sexual potency of the consumer.
Shocking eye-witness testimony. Not surprisingly, photographs of this form of "slaughter" are difficult to obtain. The following is an account from an eye-witness, "The reason why dogs are beaten for so long is that there is a belief that the slower & more painful the death is, the more potent the dog's meat willbe. Killing the dog slowly causes the dog's adrenaline to flow, and this flow of adrenaline throughout the dog is believed to increase theaphrodisiac power of the meat. While the dog is slowly being killed, it isof course screaming in pain, and trying to resist the grip of the man doingthe killing. One method is to tie the dog from his hind legs upside down.(All other accounts say that the dog is hung from the neck). The man or men than beat the dog's body all over with clubs or bats. Beating it this way issaid to do two things. One is to increase the flow of adrenalin and theother is to tenderize the meat."While the dog is being beaten, it gets to the point where it urinates and defecates on itself, and the urine and faeces typically flow down the dog'sbody, getting in its eyes and causing more pain. Eventually, during this intensive beating, blood flows out of the dog's mouth and nose due tointernal bleeding, and it finally dies. This beating process has no settime....It can be a few minutes or it can take an hour, depending on the mandoing the killing and how much he is into the belief that beating it slowlyis best for a quality aphrodisiac. I hope this clarifies why the dogs are beaten first. In a large facility, the dogs may not be hung by their hindlegs. Instead the man enters the large dog cage, selects the dog, grabs it,and while holding it by the neck, begins to beat it in the head in order tocrush the skull. Of course, there are so many methods of beating the dogsbecause there is no regulation on this."CATS Although cats are eaten in South Korea, it is more usual for them to berendered into a "medicine" to treat rheumatism and arthritis...... These are collected in sacks and, if lucky, are beaten to death with either a stick or hammer blows to the head. More commonly, they are boiled alive with herbs (sometimes after having their limbs broken to reduce their ability to struggle) until their flesh liquifies. The resulting "liquid cat" (known as "Goyangi soju") is then soldin small sachets. An average size cat, when cooked with dates, herbs andchestnuts, will produce 20-25 of these sachets.
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| Way to not read the instructions in the OP. |
I did read them but I chose to not go along with them.
If the OP doesn't like there to be an argument about a certain subject matter he shouldn't have started a thread about it; he already started one like this one not that long ago (and that one had quite a heated discussion going) so he knew what he was doing (and he could have added to it instead of starting this one by the way).
It's like discussing room salons and starting a thread about which one in your opinion is the best one to go to or which kind of whale flesh tastes delicious or has anyone seen a monkey brain restaurant around here? - and then telling people they can't post their opinions except positive ones on the thread. Wouldn't it be nice to force everyone who posts to be in agreement with you? It's not realistic and it's also extremely manipulative to try to do so.
I doubt the OP has respect for people who don't share his views about eating dog despite what he says, not when he's chosen to post a SECOND time about this (controversial) topic, and knowing how much dissent he generated the first time ... I think he's trying to rub it into people's faces that he eats dog or make some kind of (sick) statement about it when he knows it's offensive to some, and trying to get away with that scot-free - trying to stifle any opposition from the get-go.
The onus is on the OP to ignore posts which he doesn't agree with if he doesn't want to get involved in an argument; not on forum members. |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe that animals have the same rights as people. I don't agree that an animal is more important than a person. I agree with animal testing and animal killing. I think it must be done with a rational purpose, not to indulge some pain fetish. The manner of death usually matters little as long as the purpose was for consumption (death is death).
The only reason that I don't agree with the torture of animals is that it leads to further problems. People who have this "need" must not be allowed to indulge it as it hurts them and society later. The animals themselves are not important.
I have hunted many animals and have eaten various kinds of meat. I took no pleasure in the hunting and the killing was simply for the purpose of eating the meat. I did not prolong the pain of the animals and tried my best to kill them quickly, but many suffered and I did not feel guilt or remorse. They exist only to suit our purposes and must be protected to suit our purposes.
Nothing like a bear steak.  |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| patchy wrote: |
| Dog meat eating is wrong because of the cruel way they kill dogs - they beat them to death to raise the level of adrenaline in the animal which is supposed to make their flesh taste better. It's wrong - end of story. |
Way to not read the instructions in the OP. |
Thank you, Corporal.
What Patchy fails to understand - or perhaps what I failed to make clear - is the fact that I do not wish to discuss dogmeat from a morality perspective because....because...I already know about it. It isn't interesting. I've thought about it many times and I do not need to think about it any more. I know it's cruel. I know often the dog is beaten. I know! It's neither new nor interesting information. We all know about Boshintang and we all make our own judgements as to whether we want to eat it. I am a person fully abreast of the "yes vs no" ethics regarding dog and am able to respect those views I don't share as long as they're not totally ridiculous. My opinion of those issues is very much like my opinion towards Koreans who think none of us waegooks can handle spicy food, or think Korea is unique in having 4 seasons, seemingly oblivious to how annoying, repetitive and ridiculous those views are. I know about those issues but choose as I do. One man's stunning revelation is another man's old hat. This thread, Patchy, is saying "okay, look, I eat dog occasionally and quite like it. This is a given in this thread. There's this place in Seoul that sells dog burgers - have like-minded people ever been? Got directions?". You may add your view on dogmeat if you wish, but this information is not required and it will not be read, let alone be of influence. Any information other than that requested clearly in the OP, particularly anti-dogmeat comments, is superfluous to my requirements. It is perfectly okay behavior for me to request that certain information is not given. I can't force that, but you're wasting your time if you do not do as I ask and stay away.
Regarding the previous dogmeat thread I posted a few months ago entitled "Bosintang in Northwest Seoul?", that thread was me requesting directions to a B-tang restaurant because I hadn't tried it yet and wanted to. As it happens, I came across a dog restaurant independently, but never mind. There was a lot of name-calling in that thread by some delightful North American people, but very little if any substantive debate. I didn't want a debate - so that was good. But it was not intended to be controversial; I just wanted information. Upon trying B-tang for the first time, I wrote about my experience. I sounded like a rather annoying, overly-enthusiastic newbie perhaps. To me, I was happy to try something new and wanted to share that, as a creature in possession of communicative and social ability. Some ex-pats in Korea are singularly unpleasant people and they responded in kind, mistaking me for someone who gives a f_ck. These people don't need my assistance in getting riled up. It should not have been a controversial thread as it was just a guy wanting to try something new, but some people are only capable of negativity and anger. If you think I'm going not ask about a restaurant because some people will be offended, you've a bizarre outlook on life. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Dog meat eating is wrong because of the cruel way they kill dogs - they beat them to death to raise the level of adrenaline in the animal which is supposed to make their flesh taste better. It's wrong - end of story.
Then...I suggest you refrain from eating beef, pork, poultry and even eggs....unless your sympathy is solely reserved for canines..... |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
Dog meat eating is wrong because of the cruel way they kill dogs - they beat them to death to raise the level of adrenaline in the animal which is supposed to make their flesh taste better. It's wrong - end of story.
Then...I suggest you refrain from eating beef, pork, poultry and even eggs....unless your sympathy is solely reserved for canines..... |
Unless I am mistaken, Patchy is a vegan. I'd never be one myself, but I'm not a fan of bosintang either. I value dogs more highly than cattle - it's a cultural bias that has as much right to exist as bowing in Korea. Ironically, all these months of perusing ESL Cafe has completely eliminated my guilt when I bite into a burger. If you have an excuse for bosintang, you have an excuse for any personal gratification. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Unless I am mistaken, Patchy is a vegan |
Ok, well that explains his stance then....thanks for pointing that out barking. |
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noguri
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: You have to have kennip |
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I just can't imagine eating dog meat as a cutlet or meatball. It has sort of a rank, odd smell.
Isn't that why it is eaten as boshin tang? THe soup has a lot of sesame and spices that help the [novice, American] eater to cope with the odor and aftertaste. And, as another poster observed, the meat is a bit chewy and needs to be stewed adequately in broth.
THe way I had it, it is wrapped in kennip, the sesame leaf. Not kennip panchan, but an uncooked sesame leaf. The pungent leaf takes away the unpleasant sensation caused by the odor and aftertaste of the dog meat. When we ran out of sesame leaves and I tried a piece of meat without the leaf, the flavor overwhelmed me and I felt it was quite yucky.
I am not against boshin tang but I would eat it for medicinal purposes and I wouldn't touch it without the fresh sesame leaves. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: You have to have kennip |
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| noguri wrote: |
| I am not against boshin tang but I would eat it for medicinal purposes |
The question is: does it work? |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: Re: You have to have kennip |
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| noguri wrote: |
| I am not against boshin tang but I would eat it for medicinal purposes |
having some trouble in the sack are we? |
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