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blackbird
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Location: Songtan
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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"We need to come up with the ONE solution of the problem, the solution to that problem is, how we are going to exterminate white people. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet"
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/hur/hur101405_media.rm
Fast forward to 3.40 an you will hear one of America's esteemed black leaders speaking this and other nonsense on a publicly funded tv station. Come on Canada and Germany. If I have to listen to this retard, surely you can put up with one senile old Nazi. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:42 am Post subject: |
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But he's not Canada's Nazi, nor the USA's- he's Germany's, and by his own choice .
So while we might have to put up with our own racist dickheads, we have no reason to put up with him- so we didn't.
And we all lived happily ever after.
The end. |
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blackbird
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Location: Songtan
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, but what happens when we lose the right to "put up with our own racist dickheads?"
Here is a case where the UN is telling a Danish man that he has no right to draw a picure of Muhammad, even in his own country! I fear the thought police.
UN to Investigate Racism of Danish Cartoonists
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/brussels120805.htm |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, but what happens when we lose the right to "put up with our own racist *beep*?"
Here is a case where the UN is telling a Danish man that he has no right to draw a picure of Muhammad, even in his own country! I fear the thought police.
UN to Investigate Racism of Danish Cartoonists
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/brussels120805.htm |
Thanks for posting that link of interest Blackbird ... the UN is far from the benevolent institution it tries to promote. In case you haven't noticed global agencies such as this are increasingly proving a serious threat not only to our respective national sovereignties, but equally disturbingly, our individual rights & freedoms as well
If you haven't already, i'd strongly encourage you to look into the "history" of the UN.
With repect to Zundel not only are we dealing with a serious violation of a man's inherent rights, this whole affair is also built on a dangerously slippery slope.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=slippery+slope
In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Pastor Martin Niemoller |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: |
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In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Pastor Martin Niemoller |
so let's see...you are using the argument that nazis came after everyone without discrimination to argue that we shouldn't go after nazis WITH or without discrimination?
the mobius strip of arguments.... i can see it vanish into two dimensional space...
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With repect to Zundel not only are we dealing with a serious violation of a man's inherent rights, this whole affair is also built on a dangerously slippery slope.
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are you worried that MORE people will start to sell nazi paraphenalia? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
| so let's see...you are using the argument that nazis came after everyone without discrimination to argue that we shouldn't go after nazis WITH or without discrimination? |
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Last edited by igotthisguitar on Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:00 am; edited 1 time in total |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: |
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Friday, January 06, 2006
Let Ernst Zundel and David Irving Go Home
"I am uncomfortable with imprisoning people for speech.��
-Deborah Lipstadt, on historian David Irving
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4578534.stm
Ernst Zundel and David Irving may be filled with hate, but they should not be treated as criminals. The German and Austrian governments are the ones who have committed outrageous crimes by jailing these men for voicing their opinions about the Holocaust.
Zundel and Irving may be two of the world��s most infamous Holocaust deniers. But they have not initiated physical violence against anyone. They have not ordered others to commit violence.
Instead, Germany has put Zundel on trial for operating the Zundelsite website, which contains statements that the Holocaust is a fiction. It��s illegal in Germany to be a Holocaust denier. In November, Irving was arrested in Austria for two speeches he made in 1989, during which he allegedly claimed there had been no gas chambers at Auschwitz.
It��s illegal in Austria to be a Holocaust denier.
The governments of Germany and Austria want to send Zundel and Irving to prison for many years for publicly expressing these beliefs.
Many liberal democracies around the world have passed laws that allow them to fine or imprison people for making public utterances that don��t conform exactly to the official version of the Nazi Holocaust. Canada didn��t like what Zundel said or wrote about the Holocaust.
Last spring, Canadian officials shipped Zundel to Germany where they knew he would face prosecution for his speech. Zundel had immigrated to Canada from Germany in 1958 at the age of 19.
Instead of creating free and open societies, the governments involved in the prosecution of Zundel and Irving are carrying on the ignoble traditions of the Nazis by targeting people for their beliefs. Who are the nations confronting Germany, Austria and Canada for their roles in these grave injustices? There are none.
In fact, many are following these nations�� example.
In France, Bruno Gollnisch, a professor at Lyon University, deputy leader of the extreme right French party, National Front, and a member of the European parliament, is facing charges before a French court for Holocaust revisionism. The charges relate to comments made in October 2004 suggesting the existence of Nazi gas chambers was ��up to historians to decide.��
However obscene one might deem the opinions of Zundel and Irving, their decision to speak their minds does not impinge on the freedom of others. The prosecuting governments, however, have the official capacity to deny people their freedom by rounding them up for the crime of publicly expressing scandalous beliefs. And Germany, Austria and Canada have taken full advantage of this authority.
The Nazis developed a policy of intimidation. The wrong comment overheard by a Nazi official could have dire consequences. Hitler��s police state worked on the rule that if you said nothing, no harm could come to you. If you had doubts about the way Germany was going, you kept them to yourself—or paid the price.
The Nazis practiced an extreme form of totalitarian control. Today��s enforcement of anti-hate speech laws obviously does not compare to what occurred in Nazi Germany. But the control exercised by these modern-day governments is founded on the belief that states have the fundamental right to punish individuals or groups who dare to say what the overwhelming majority of people might believe is preposterous.
In remembrance of the millions of people who died at the hands of the Nazis and their confederates, governments should be exerting less control over their populations, not imprisoning people for expressing their beliefs.
http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/irving01062006/ |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Holocaust "Denier" To Be Freed From Jail
VIENNA, Austria - A Vienna court on Wednesday ruled that British author David Irving, convicted on charges of "denying" the Holocaust, should serve the rest of his three-year sentence on probation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061220/ap_on_re_eu/austria_holocaust_denier
Vienna's highest court granted Irving's appeal and ruled to convert two-thirds of Irving's three-year sentence into probation, the Austria Press Agency reported. Since Irving has already spent more than 13 months behind bars, the ruling means he will be released from prison, according to APA.
In February, another Vienna court sentenced Irving to three years behind bars under a 1992 law, which applies to "whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media."
The law calls for a prison term of up to 10 years.
During his one-day trial earlier this year, Irving pleaded guilty to the charge of denying the Holocaust but maintained he never questioned it in the first place.
Both the defense and the prosecution appealed the sentence. In September, Austria's highest court upheld Irving's conviction.
Irving has been in custody in Austria since his November 2005 arrest on charges stemming from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989 for which he was accused of denying the Nazis' extermination of 6 million Jews. He has contended that most of those who died at concentration camps like Auschwitz succumbed to diseases such as typhus rather than execution.
Irving was present at Wednesday's hearing and was brought into the packed courtroom in handcuffs. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Holocaust "Denier" Sentenced To 5 Years
By THOMAS SEYTHAL, Associated Press Writer
Thu Feb 15, 6:16 PM ET
MANNHEIM, Germany - A German court on Thursday convicted far-right activist Ernst Zundel and sentenced him to five years in prison for Holocaust "denial" in a case that underlined Germany's determination to prosecute people who claim the Nazis didn't murder six million Jews
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070215/ap_on_re_eu/germany_incitement_trial ... etc ... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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You know Zundel thinks there is a Nazi UFO base in Antarctica and tried to sell seats on a trip to visit the Nazis?
Zundel on censorship. See he's for it if it says bad things about Germans. Against it if it doesn't let him say bad things about Jews.
This guy isn't worth anyone's time. Why is he worth yours? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| This guy isn't worth anyone's time. Why is he worth yours? |
Principle. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| This guy isn't worth anyone's time. Why is he worth yours? |
Principle. |
Bullcrap. |
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