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sundubuman
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 Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: Islam's Image Issues...... |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| It should be pointed out that in the cartoon it's "Islamism" that is presented as having an image problem, and "persecution of moderate Mulims" is listed as one of those problems. Whereas Sundubuman's heading to this thread says "Islam", and does not acknowledge the existence of the moderate Muslims whose well-being seems to concern the cartoonist. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Whatever, whiney little PC-nit....
As you type your PC-addled defense of Islam.....
The Islamic World is actively trying to rob the west of its hard-earned freedom of speech.....
while the West is trying to prevent the appropriating (with the intent to annihalate a democratic state) of its hard-earned nuclear technology...
Whose side are you on????
Don't tell me......peace.....
Save us all from the inferno that comes from peaceniks |
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Lyrt
Joined: 26 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: |
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I just remind everybody Islamism and Islam are one and the same. According to my friend Oxford, Islamism is:
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Cf. F. Islamisme (Voltaire in Littré)
The religious system of the Muslims; Muhammadanism. |
Islam is a foreign word that was first Gallicised then Anglicised. The suffix –ism was added because it was already used for the French words christianisme and judaïsme (Christianity and Judaism).
Don��t forget it when reading some decades-old text or you��d misinterpret the words of the author. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Whereas Sundubuman's heading to this thread says "Islam", and does not acknowledge the existence of the moderate Muslims whose well-being seems to concern the cartoonist. |
Ah yes, the ever elusive 'moderate' muslims. Where are they in all this cartoon controversy? The OP is right, Islam does have a serious image problem. Let's not be pedantic and say that the real problem is Islamism and not Islam, because the desire for a Caliphate and for the Shariah, thought to be indicative of 'Islamism' are fundamental to mainstream Islam itself. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
Whatever, whiney little PC-nit....
As you type your PC-addled defense of Islam.....
The Islamic World is actively trying to rob the west of its hard-earned freedom of speech..... |
Whiney little PC nit?
You whine using an anonymous handle on a chatboard, which does absolutely nothing to address the so-called problem you think needs addressing.
Because you don't have the guts or the ambition to sit down and maybe write a letter to the embassy of an Islamic country, for example, and engage in what might potentially be a meaningful and productive discussion of what you claim is so important.
And then you get upset because radical Islamist in the Middle East might be getting nukes, when they wouldn't have them if there weren't so many of them in the hands of radical Jews in the Middle East.
You're an insignificant, snivling little ineffective gnat. Look who's talking. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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As you type your PC-addled defense of Islam.....
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What I was defending was the right of the cartoonist to express a viewpoint without being misquoted by the likes of you.
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| whiney little PC-nit.... |
Is "whiney little PC-nit" your new code word for "someone who can read"? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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As you type your PC-addled defense of Islam.....
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What I was defending was the right of the cartoonist to express a viewpoint without being misquoted by the likes of you. |
Better to be misquoted than to have to live in fear of one's life.
Time to rein in the Muslims before it's too late. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I just remind everybody Islamism and Islam are one and the same. According to my friend Oxford, Islamism is:
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Cf. F. Islamisme (Voltaire in Littré)
The religious system of the Muslims; Muhammadanism.
Islam is a foreign word that was first Gallicised then Anglicised. The suffix –ism was added because it was already used for the French words christianisme and judaïsme (Christianity and Judaism).
Don��t forget it when reading some decades-old text or you��d misinterpret the words of the author. |
While that's probably true historically, I would say that today the word is almost always used to indicate an ideological tendency within the religion, not the religion itself.
From The American Heritage Dictionary:
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Islamism
n 1: a fundamentalist Islamic revivalist movement generally characterized by moral conservatism and the literal interpretation of the Koran and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all aspects of life [syn: Islamism] 2: the religion of Muslims collectively which governs their civilization and way of life; the predominant religion of northern Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan and Indonesia
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Islamism |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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And then you get upset because radical Islamist in the Middle East might be getting nukes, when they wouldn't have them if there weren't so many of them in the hands of radical Jews in the Middle East.
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So you are making the statement that it is only the Israeli's having them that makes Islamic nations want them and not that nukes are considered a sign of superpower status and have been held as a highpoint of military weapon development by many nations since they were first created.
I find your argument that Israel having them is the only reason Iran and others want them to be a bit unsustainable as an argument. It has been argued that the only reason that Israel exists is because they have them, could another middle eastern country make the same claim. That they only exist because they have nuclear weapons, even with Iraq, you never hear of the United states wanting to name them the 52nd State after allowing Britain to join. (sorry started to go off track at the end there). |
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Manner of Speaking
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| I find your argument that Israel having them is the only reason Iran and others want them to be a bit unsustainable... |
Well that's ok, because I wasn't talking to you, and didn't express an interest in your opinion anyway. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:39 am Post subject: Re: Islam's Image Issues...... |
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That's some funny sh!t.
We need a thread filled with just mocking muslim cartoons. Someone more ambitious than me should set that up.
-S- |
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bigverne
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There are some good cartoons at the link below. However, I don't know how to post pics. If someone does, please go ahead so everyone can enjoy without having to click on the link.
http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| It should be pointed out that in the cartoon it's "Islamism" that is presented as having an image problem, and "persecution of moderate Mulims" is listed as one of those problems. Whereas Sundubuman's heading to this thread says "Islam", and does not acknowledge the existence of the moderate Muslims whose well-being seems to concern the cartoonist. |
Good call. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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now some of THOSE reminded me of the old nazi cartoons about the jews.
great great stuff....
funny as hell. |
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