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Lyrt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: Somewhere in France
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 Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons |
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http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleS...&srch=holocaust
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
Tue Feb 7, 2006 3:04 AM ET
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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's best-selling newspaper has launched a competition to find the best cartoon about the Holocaust in retaliation for the publication in many European countries of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.
The daily paper Hamshahri said the contest was designed to test the boundaries of free speech -- the reason given by many European newspapers for publishing the Prophet Mohammad cartoons.
"A serious question for Muslims ... is this: 'Does Western free speech allow working on issues like America and Israel's crimes or an incident like the Holocaust or is this freedom of speech only good for insulting the holy values of divine religions?"' the paper said on Tuesday.
"Hamshahri, far from any conflict-seeking attitude or illogical behavior, has called on the artists of the world to use free speech to send cartoons on these issues to take part in the contest," it added.
Newspaper staff could not immediately be reached for comment as the paper was closed ahead of a public holiday on Wednesday.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad provoked international condemnation last year by calling the Holocaust a "myth" and saying Israel should be "wiped off the map."
Fresh protests erupted across Asia and the Middle East on Monday over the caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad, despite calls by world leaders for calm.
Iran announced it had cut all trade ties with Denmark because of the cartoons and hundreds of protesters hurled rocks and fire bombs at the Danish embassy in Tehran on Monday night.
A Danish newspaper first published the cartoons last September, and newspapers in Norway and a dozen other countries reprinted them last month. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quick, let's torch the Iranian embassy! |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
| Quick, let's torch the Iranian embassy! |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| I guess they are entitled to their Free Speach. I think we should show cartoons that make point out the facts about the cancer that Islam is. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: |
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So, Holocaust cartoons... gee, that'll really teach those dirty Danes!
Evangelical Lutheran 95%,
other Protestant and Roman Catholic 3%,
Muslim 2% |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Muslim's suck. I'm so tired of their crap. And yes, I mean ALL of them. What good are the moderates that are supposed to make up so much of the Muslim faith, if they don't do squat.
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: |
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This looks like a good idea. Hopefully they'll draw a whole lot of them and then wait...
and wait...
and wait...
hm, nobody gives a damn. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody should tell the Iranians that this sort of thing has been done many times before, and--surprise, surprise--Jews the world over didn't go firebombing embassies over it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3136059.stm
The cartoons depict the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, as a Satanic figure, with horns and a tail and a swastika neck-tie.
"Quickly, go and build 10 more settlements," he says to a group of hook-nosed, religious Jews, "so we can remove them in front of the cameras."
Mohammed Khalil, who teaches Mass Communications at Cairo University, says depicting Israelis as Nazis is legitimate political commentary.
http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/arab/qatar_cartoons.asp
Anti-Semitic stereotypes continue to be prevalent in cartoons published in the Qatari newspaper, Al-Watan. These cartoons demonize Jews, often depicting them as dirty, hook-nosed, money-hungry world dominators.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3180742,00.html
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Resurrecting_an_Ancient_Face_of_Evil.asp
In "Peace: The Arabian Caricature: A Study of Anti-Semitic Imagery," Arieh Stav, director of the Ariel Center for Policy Research in Tel Aviv, documents the vicious anti-Semitic cartoons that proliferate in the Arab world with public and official endorsement. Historically, these caricatures are not unique to the Arab world, but what this book makes clear is that in the Middle East today they are commonplace, generating stereotypes of evil, fusing anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism.
Interesting choice, though. They know criticism of the Holocaust is a sensitive issue for the West, and they also know that any insults towards Christianity couldn't be any worse then what the West has dished out towards its cornerstone faith already. But in this end this will only serve to highlight the differences between how the Western world and the Muslim world reacts to this kind of thing. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| So, Holocaust cartoons... gee, that'll really teach those dirty Danes! |
Just what I was thinking.
A Dutch newspaper ridicules and provokes Islamic fundamentalists. And an Iranian newspaper responds by calling for ridicule and provocation targeted against Israel, Jews, and the Holocaust.
Mithridates says nobody gives a damn.
But I see yet an indicator of the depth and bitterness of Iran's antiSemitism. And another indicator that things are moving in the wrong direction. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| So, Holocaust cartoons... gee, that'll really teach those dirty Danes! |
Just what I was thinking.
A Dutch newspaper ridicules and provokes Islamic fundamentalists. And an Iranian newspaper responds by calling for ridicule and provocation targeted against Israel, Jews, and the Holocaust.
Mithridates says nobody gives a damn.
But I see yet an indicator of the depth and bitterness of Iran's antiSemitism. And another indicator that things are moving in the wrong direction. |
What I mean by that is that I expect the reaction from the world community to this to be similar to a collective yawn.
Maybe a bit of this as well:  |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody should tell the Iranians that this sort of thing has been done many times before, and--surprise, surprise--Jews the world over didn't go firebombing embassies over it.
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Ya ever heard of the Jewish Defense League?
From the Historical Dictionary Of Terrorism:
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From 1969 to 1985 the JDL targeted mainly the representatives of governments perceived to be anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic, most of which were directed against Soviet targets. Thus the JDL bombed the San Francisco branch of the Iranian Bank Melli on 26 January 1981 and bombed the Iraqi U.N. Mission on 28 April 1982 to protest the mistreatment of Jews in those two countries. The JDL once bombed the office of impresario Sol Hurok, who helped arrange performances of Soviet ballet troupes in the United States, which caused the death of one employee. For the most part, these attacks seemed intended to intimidate but not to kill their victims. Beginning late in 1985, however, the targeting shifted to individuals suspected of being anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic, and the attack mode became much more lethal. On 11 October 1985, the Los Angeles offices of the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) was bombed, killing the ADC director Alex Odeh, who had sought to rationalize the actions of the hijackers of the Achille Lauro on a local newscast the previous evening. On 15 August 1985, a sixty-one-year-old Waffen-SS veteran, Tsherim Soobzokov, was bombed at his Paterson, N.J., home and later died of his wounds. In such attacks an anonymous caller would claim the action in the name of the JDL, and afterward an official JDL spokesman would disavow the group's responsibility. In 1987 several JDL members were convicted on a variety of criminal charges, and since then there has been no record of JDL terrorist activity.
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From the FBI:
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Investigation by the Los Angeles JTTF revealed that Irving Rubin and Earl Krugel were active members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a known violent extremist Jewish Organization. A Cooperating Witness reported statements made by Rubin and Krugel indicating a plan to attack the Islamic Muslim Public Affairs Council (IMPAC) office in Los Angeles or possibly the California office of United States Congressman Darrell Issa. Statements made by Kruger indicated the motivation for the attack was to serve as a "wake up call" to the Muslim Community. Rubin and Krugel were arrested by members of the Los Angeles JTTF for conspiring to build and place an improvised explosive device at the IMPAC office. Irving Rubin committed suicide and Earl Krugel's charges are pending.
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So are they just a fringe group? Well, they're about as fringe as you can be and still get your founder elected to the Israeli Knesset.
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In 1984 Kahane launched another election campaign, and successfully won a seat in the Israeli parliament. The Central Elections Committee had banned him from being a candidate on charges of racism, but the Israeli High Court found that the Committee did not have the legal power to do so, and it requested from the Knesset to establish a law that would enable the Court to ban Kach in the future (the Anti-Racist Law of 1988).
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http://www.securitymanagement.com/library/000248.html
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress04/pistole041404.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody should tell the Iranians that this sort of thing has been done many times before, and--surprise, surprise--Jews the world over didn't go firebombing embassies over it.
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Ya ever heard of the Jewish Defense League? |
We were discussing the overreaction (or lack thereof in the case of Jewish people) to a cartoon and you bring in planned and orchestrated politically motivated sectarian terror bombings into it. We might as well be discussing Timothy McVeigh's actions in response to the Washington Post running a cartoon insulting the late Pope. As far as making a comparison and connecting the dots is concerned it makes about as much sense.
However, if you can show that the actions of the JDL was in response to a cartoon run in a newspaper then I'll reconsider the comparison. Otherwise, please keep to the context of my post. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Quick, let's torch the Iranian embassy! |
Exactly. People may be HIGHLY offended but even European Jews aren't going to torch an embassy. I mean far worse is previous to all this, newspapers in the Islamic world regularly publish cartoons highly offensive to the Jewish and Christian faith. They teach right at the primary school level that Jews are the devil. I mean geez. Put your own house in order. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| However, if you can show that the actions of the JDL was in response to a cartoon run in a newspaper then I'll reconsider the comparison. |
You're right. The JDL violence wasn't in response to a cartoon. It was in repsonse to a news broadcast. Huge moral difference there.
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| We were discussing the overreaction (or lack thereof in the case of Jewish people) to a cartoon and you bring in planned and orchestrated politically motivated sectarian terror bombings into it. |
I would say that "planned and orchestrated" terror bombings certainly qualify as an "overreaction" to the issue of controversial news broadcasts. |
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