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igotthisguitar
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 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: Hundreds of Mentally Ill to Be Executed in America: Amnesty |
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Hundreds of Mentally Ill to Be Executed in America: Amnesty
Abid Aslam, OneWorld US
Wed Feb 1, 7:12 PM ET
WASHINGTON, D.C., Feb 1 (OneWorld) - Amnesty International is asking that hundreds of mentally ill people facing the death penalty in American prisons have their sentences commuted.
Ten percent of the first 1,000 people executed in the United States since 1977 suffered from illnesses ranging from schizophrenia to post-traumatic stress disorder and brain damage, the leading rights watchdog and opponent of capital punishment said in a report released Tuesday.
Another 3,400 people remain on death row and 5-10 percent of them have mental illnesses, Amnesty said, citing estimates by the National Institute of Mental Health.
The revelations coincided with hearings Wednesday in which U.S. senators heard about the death penalty from relatives of crime victims.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/oneworld/45361266471138839163;_ylt=AibPjX6znIueOW0ELOSY.85hr7sF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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Hater Depot
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| I'm opposed to the death penalty, but you know most of them will never be executed. |
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AbbeFaria
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Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: |
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I'd be fine with them not being executed if Amnesty International foots the bill for the cost it's going to take to keep them incarcerated and medicated for the rest of their natural lives. Or until they're shanked in the yard, whichever comes first.
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
I'd be fine with them not being executed if Amnesty International foots the bill for the cost it's going to take to keep them incarcerated and medicated for the rest of their natural lives. Or until they're shanked in the yard, whichever comes first.
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Me too! |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Yeah!
Except that it costs less money to keep someone incarcerated for life. Read up. |
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AbbeFaria
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Ahh. Interesting.
Simple then, they just need to streamline the Capital cases. Drive through death penelty.
"I"ll take the No. 2, Leathal Injection and make it a large Sprite instead of a medium. The patassium chloride tends to give me cotton mouth."
All kidding aside, I'm still pro-death penalty. I've read the arguments on the percentage that are probably innocent, the number of ones that were overturned due to new testing methods, mainly DNA, the racial slants, all that, but they do get the right guy from time to time and if they're convicted, let 'em fry. There's too many people walking around as it is, the prisions are just doing their part for population control.
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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I remember jon stewart did a piece on the supreme court rejecting the execution of the handicapped.
It was literally one of the funniest thing i've ever seen on TV.
is it even LEGAL to kill em? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
I'd be fine with them not being executed if Amnesty International foots the bill for the cost it's going to take to keep them incarcerated and medicated for the rest of their natural lives. Or until they're shanked in the yard, whichever comes first.
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So, you assume that they are all actually guilty?
What percent of death row inmates do you suppose are wrongfully convicted? Obviously it isn't 0%, given that more and more stories are appearing about DNA evidence and innocent convicts.
Even if it was 1% wrongfully convicted, that would still mean innocent people being executed by the state. How many innocents are too many? At what number of dead innocent people does the death penalty become a bad thing?
Honestly, I can't believe that people from civilized nations still hold such barbaric thinking. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
I'd be fine with them not being executed if Amnesty International foots the bill for the cost it's going to take to keep them incarcerated and medicated for the rest of their natural lives. Or until they're shanked in the yard, whichever comes first.
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Presumably we don't execute people in order to save on the money of keeping them incarcerated. What a fruitcake... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
Yeah!
Except that it costs less money to keep someone incarcerated for life. Read up. |
That's from a biased site first of all. Secondly the reason that it costs more is that with appeals and all of the legal battles that are fought before the fellow is executed adds to that bill. Seriously how much money does it take to strap someone in the chair and throw the switch?
Those whose guilt is beyond doubt should be executed post-haste. I'd rather die than be locked up in a cell for the rest of my life. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
Yeah!
Except that it costs less money to keep someone incarcerated for life. Read up. |
That's from a biased site first of all. |
Thank you Joo. If it's a biased site show me the proof that it's actually cheaper. In a system with justice based on innocent until proven guilty of course. I won't cry if I'm wrong. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
I'd be fine with them not being executed if Amnesty International foots the bill for the cost it's going to take to keep them incarcerated and medicated for the rest of their natural lives. Or until they're shanked in the yard, whichever comes first.
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So, you assume that they are all actually guilty?
What percent of death row inmates do you suppose are wrongfully convicted? Obviously it isn't 0%, given that more and more stories are appearing about DNA evidence and innocent convicts.
Even if it was 1% wrongfully convicted, that would still mean innocent people being executed by the state. How many innocents are too many? At what number of dead innocent people does the death penalty become a bad thing?
Honestly, I can't believe that people from civilized nations still hold such barbaric thinking. |
You don't pay attention so well, do you.
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| I've read the arguments on the percentage that are probably innocent, the number of ones that were overturned due to new testing methods, mainly DNA, the racial slants, all that, but they do get the right guy from time to time and if they're convicted, let 'em fry. There's too many people walking around as it is, the prisions are just doing their part for population control. |
I could try to sugar coat it and lie a bit and say the death of an innocent is a tradgedy and all that, but really it doesn't matter. And the plain and simple truth of it is that I just don't care. If I spent all my time worrying about everyone, like some of you must do, I'd never get anything accomplished. Seriously, how do you sleep at night knowing that there are millions of people suffering while you sleep in your nice bed, with heated floors and a cabinet stocked with ramyon and green tea. The shame you must feel.
Face it, not every life is precious. We're all of us going to die. I do my bit to make my own existance more peaceful, I give money to charities on occasion and even dropped a handful of change in the monk's box as he was bowing, shaking a rattle and moaning on the street a couple of weeks ago, but that's as far as my bleeding heart goes. I'm not joining protest rallys and writing letters to my congressman to abolish the death penalty because an innocent might die. Frankly, I've got more important things to do like...I dunno, folding my socks or something.
On paper just about all of you are for this cause and against that cause and "oh the babies in Africa", but in reality, 90% of you will never do more then complain about it on a message board and call me a disgusting pig or whatever your insult of choice is.
And yes, I would execute them to save money. If they were convicted there's no reason to beat around the bush.
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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This will be good news for many Mexicans and others who wish to immigrate to the U.S., as the U.S. will have to increase its immigration quotas just to fill the vacuum left behind.
What will be done with the other mentally ill that will not be executed? Will they still be employed by the CIA? Would others be working in that funny shaped building for the DOD?
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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That any civilsed country should continue this practice is shocking enough: that it places that otherwise civilised country in the top rank with China and Saudi Arabia would be almost laughable were it not so sad.
The interesting thing is, that Massachusets, with no executions has a far lower rate of homicide than Texas, which leads the pack in state-sposored murder. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Those whose guilt is beyond doubt should be executed post-haste. I'd rather die than be locked up in a cell for the rest of my life.
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dude...
you should TOOOOOOOOTALLY go on a rampage in texas!
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On paper just about all of you are for this cause and against that cause and "oh the babies in Africa", but in reality, 90% of you will never do more then complain about it on a message board and call me a disgusting pig or whatever your insult of choice is.
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wow.
Talk about pointing out the obvious of western society. |
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