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Newbie
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Why the "versus"?
Better for what?
Visiting as a tourist? Living in? What?
And in terms of.... career? health? lifestyle? happiness? what?
Each is too big and too varied to generalize about that. Some provinces kick some states butts, and some states shame some provinces in terms of job, recreational and/or tourist opportunities.
To have any debate that serves any purpose other than ego boosting there needs at the very least to be a reason for specifying a "versus", especially when talking to kids in Asia for whom both Canada and the USA might as well be lumped together in terms of their similarity to each other in contrast to the lives lived by the youth in Asia. |
Good points, and I suppose that is why few people are answering my question properly.
I didn't, but should have, said that it was a Canada vs. USA competition in the sense of which is a better place to live, which offers the most opportunities etc.
EFLtrainer, I wouldn't say USA wins the natural beauty contest hands down. Let's take a trip to Niagara and ask if the US still wins hands down. Or up to the Arctic ... amazingly beautiful. Our East Coast is unbelievable. I suppose the US would win overall, but nowhere near "hands down" |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I roam back and forth between the two and it's all good. |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| The concept of one country being "better" than another is quite rediculous and rather immature. I can`t believe adults actually find this topic even worthy of discussion. I`d rather watch paint dry. |
And yet you've taken the time to read along and post your useless posts. Twice. Must be quite bored.
My whole point is that Canad vs. the US is ridiculous. Now, if you wanted to take one of them and compare it to, let's say Korea, that is an easy comparison. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| What the hell have we ever done to LEAD the world to end tyranny and other general nastiness?" Ooops!!! |
Canada declared war on Germany in 1939, two years before the Americans. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Newbie wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
Why the "versus"?
Better for what?
Visiting as a tourist? Living in? What?
And in terms of.... career? health? lifestyle? happiness? what?
Each is too big and too varied to generalize about that. Some provinces kick some states butts, and some states shame some provinces in terms of job, recreational and/or tourist opportunities.
To have any debate that serves any purpose other than ego boosting there needs at the very least to be a reason for specifying a "versus", especially when talking to kids in Asia for whom both Canada and the USA might as well be lumped together in terms of their similarity to each other in contrast to the lives lived by the youth in Asia. |
Good points, and I suppose that is why few people are answering my question properly.
I didn't, but should have, said that it was a Canada vs. USA competition in the sense of which is a better place to live, which offers the most opportunities etc.
EFLtrainer, I wouldn't say USA wins the natural beauty contest hands down. Let's take a trip to Niagara and ask if the US still wins hands down. Or up to the Arctic ... amazingly beautiful. Our East Coast is unbelievable. I suppose the US would win overall, but nowhere near "hands down" |
The real answer has been posted repeatedly in this thread, but on this one issue, sorry, it is hands down:
1. Hawaii
2. Alaska - why would you bring up the Arctic knowing about Alaska?
3. Niagara - Um, we have he same view. Actually, many would say the better view is below the falls, not above.
4. Your East Coast is.... our Main and Mass., isn't it?
5. Florida - for a different sort of tropical paradise.
6. Deserts - yes, more than one.
7. Big-ass parairies.
8. Grand Canyon.
9. Great Lakes.
10. Woodlands.
11. Amazing skiing...
12. Amazing mountains.
Etc. No, it is not close. One of the great accidents of history - for an American who likes to travel - is the specific long. and lat. coordiantes of the dear old U.S. of A, which have created a single nation with a rather incredible variety of geographical/-physical variety.
Sorry, it is not even close. Arguing this point is a bit silly. It is an accident of history, not intention. It is like telling an amazingly (naturally) beautiful woman how beautiful she is. As if she had anything to do with it. In fact, it was all her parents' doing, right?
I suppose if you wanted to argue percentages, Canada might win, but in terms of diversity it's seriously not anywhere near close. I know of no other geopolitical location that matches the US in this way. If it/they exists/exist, I would love to be educated.
I hear NZ is pretty amazing, but not quite as diverse. Australia, perhaps, but a bit too dominated by desert? China? Yeah, I suppose China might be a worthy comprison, but don't know enough about the geography of the country. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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| What the hell have we ever done to LEAD the world to end tyranny and other general nastiness?" Ooops!!! |
Canada declared war on Germany in 1939, two years before the Americans. |
Yeah, that was a decisive moment in history. And, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Canada essentially have no de facto choice in the matter? And were they first to declare war? When, exactly, did Canada take the lead in WWII?
Look, I'm not a Canada basher. I've given others - most notably gopher - crap about being such twits on the issue, but don't come at me with something as silly as this. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
I hear NZ is pretty amazing, but not quite as diverse. |
No deserts or grand canyon, and not the expansive majesty of size obviously. What makes NZ amazing is how much incredible natural beauty is so tightly packed into such a small space. I would say that if the criteria were how many spots of natural beauty per size that NZ would win. You can get from an awsome ski field to a tropical beach in one hour. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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| What the hell have we ever done to LEAD the world to end tyranny and other general nastiness?" Ooops!!! |
Canada declared war on Germany in 1939, two years before the Americans. |
Yeah, that was a decisive moment in history. And, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Canada essentially have no de facto choice in the matter? And were they first to declare war? When, exactly, did Canada take the lead in WWII?
Look, I'm not a Canada basher. I've given others - most notably gopher - crap about being such twits on the issue, but don't come at me with something as silly as this. |
We entered WWI without choice, but our declaration in WWII was entirely our own.
There are a good number of Dutch that would say Canada has an enormous impact in the war.
Was our impact as big as the American, hands down (and now it's ok to use that) NO. But for the size of our country, it was quite impressive.
Back to the Nature discussion...
You mentioned the Great Lakes. You do realize that with the exception of Lake Michigan, they're all split between the two countries?
Our mountains and ski areas are world class. You can't say you win hands down.
Our East Coast is far more beautiful than Mass. and Maine.
Alaska is great, our area is bigger.
We can view the Falls from on top, and from below.
We have crazy ass big prairies and wood lands.
Desert and Canyon. Sure, we have nothing to compare.
Bottom line, it is nowhere near hands down. You obviously don't have a good enough understanding of Canada and what we have. Don't worry though, the average Amerian doesn't. So don't feel bad 
Hope this didn't sound angry or bitter. I am quite the fan of the U.S and have been to all but 15 of the States. You do have a glorious landscape. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Hope this didn't sound angry or bitter. I am quite the fan of the U.S and have been to all but 15 of the States. You do have a glorious landscape. |
Not at all... but it still isn't close.  If this were a sports thread I'd be calling you a homer. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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The answer to this question is a matter of taste. You should give your students a questionnaire asking them about their preferences. Such as this:
In your opinion, which is better:
An eagle A loon
A state A province
Sears Tower CN Tower
Van Halen BTO
The territories of Guam, Puerto Rico The Northwest Territories
Chicago-style pizza Toronto hot dog
Anthem referring to past conflict Anthem anticipating future one
Numerous tropical islands No tropical islands
State sales tax Provincial sales tax
Two-dollar bill Two-dollar coin
Feet, miles, pounds... Metres, litres....
Color, center Colour, centre
4 downs 3 downs
Sault Ste. Marie Sault Ste. Marie
Chris Farley JohnCandy
(may they both rest in peace)
Adam Sandler Tom Green
(why couldn't these two have gone instead?) |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So, how's the whole objective thing going so far? |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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EFLtrainer is very right; the U.S. does have a more diverse enviroment.
When America does something right, it does it. I love both countries and would have no problem living in either one. Both countries have much to offer and to share.
It's too bad that the U.S. has been hi-jacked by a few morons lately but America will correct itself in time as it always has.
There are cities in Canada I wouldn't want to live in, and I'm never too proud to say that I'm from Windsor. There are great places on both sides of the border. Bosie might even be a good place to live. |
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inspector gadget
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies
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I have been reading this thread on and off and have finally decide to respond.
As a Canadian who has also lived in the USA, I find the rambling on this thread informative, stupid and humerous at times.
Simply put THERE ARE TOO MANY DIFFERENCES TO COMPARE THEM in the way that seems to be attempted in this thread.
My adult students also asked me if the two countries were the same, last night actually.
To me the largest differences are the following:
Canada has superior social programs, I don't think anyone would disagree, everyone is entitled in Canada. The USA on the other hand is a fend for yourself nation, if you can't afford it, simply put you don't have access, the government simply says to bad so sad!!
Canada does not force its values upon other countries like the USA does. It seems to me that the USA tries to push countries around if they don't like what they are doing. WHY???? As a result more people around the world do not like the USA, compared to Canada. This leads the USA to spend Trillions of $$ on defense and wars while they can't even give vaccinations to the poor people in there own back yard to save thier life.
I think those types of values are out of whack and to be honest border on criminal. SPEND MONEY, KILL FORIEGNERS, SICK USA CITIZENS NO MONEY FOR THEM, LET THEM DIE
Economy, yup the USA has the largest economy but bigger does not always mean better. Canada's economy is strong and will only get stronger, not sure about the US economy seems as thought its sliding down a slippery slope and has been for a number of years.
People, both countries have smart and talented people, likewise they also have stupid and usleless people. You could fit Canada's entire 32 million in the state of California thats what they have down there. Its entirely a personal preferrence but to me and I suppose most Canadians we like the space. I bought acres of waterfront property in Northern Ontario for under $30000 (MY FRIEND AND i OWN THE ENTIRE LAKE FRONT), hard pressed to buy any chunk of property like that in the states on a lake in absolutley pristine environment.
Geography yes the states has more tropical destinations for sure, no doubt, but I would hate to say that not everyone wants to live in stiffling heat. Along with living in those kind of locals usually brings Natural Disasters like earthquakes, hurricans, tornados and such. Of which Canada is not very susceptible to. The rest of the geographical differences seems to pretty much end there. Yes the USA has more deserts but we have them in Canada too. Vancouver is a city that you can go golfing in the day and skiing at night, Ottawa is also a place that that can be done to a lesser extent. Both countries have great lakes yes. Minnesota is the land of 10 000 lakes but Ontario has over 100 000.
I guess what I am trying to say is that they are two distinct countries, with two distinct philosophies about the people that live in there land, to me this is the most important difference that seperates to two countries.
I love Canada its my home and I will always go back there, having said that I will also work in the USA because there are obvious advantages for my line of business. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| inspector gadget wrote: |
I have been reading this thread on and off and have finally decide to respond.
As a Canadian who has also lived in the USA, I find the rambling on this thread informative, stupid and humerous at times.
Simply put THERE ARE TOO MANY DIFFERENCES TO COMPARE THEM in the way that seems to be attempted in this thread.
My adult students also asked me if the two countries were the same, last night actually.
To me the largest differences are the following:
Canada has superior social programs, I don't think anyone would disagree, everyone is entitled in Canada. The USA on the other hand is a fend for yourself nation, if you can't afford it, simply put you don't have access, the government simply says to bad so sad!!
Canada does not force its values upon other countries like the USA does. It seems to me that the USA tries to push countries around if they don't like what they are doing. WHY???? As a result more people around the world do not like the USA, compared to Canada. This leads the USA to spend Trillions of $$ on defense and wars while they can't even give vaccinations to the poor people in there own back yard to save thier life.
I think those types of values are out of whack and to be honest border on criminal. SPEND MONEY, KILL FORIEGNERS, SICK USA CITIZENS NO MONEY FOR THEM, LET THEM DIE
Economy, yup the USA has the largest economy but bigger does not always mean better. Canada's economy is strong and will only get stronger, not sure about the US economy seems as thought its sliding down a slippery slope and has been for a number of years.
People, both countries have smart and talented people, likewise they also have stupid and usleless people. You could fit Canada's entire 32 million in the state of California thats what they have down there. Its entirely a personal preferrence but to me and I suppose most Canadians we like the space. I bought acres of waterfront property in Northern Ontario for under $30000 (MY FRIEND AND i OWN THE ENTIRE LAKE FRONT), hard pressed to buy any chunk of property like that in the states on a lake in absolutley pristine environment.
Geography yes the states has more tropical destinations for sure, no doubt, but I would hate to say that not everyone wants to live in stiffling heat. Along with living in those kind of locals usually brings Natural Disasters like earthquakes, hurricans, tornados and such. Of which Canada is not very susceptible to. The rest of the geographical differences seems to pretty much end there. Yes the USA has more deserts but we have them in Canada too. Vancouver is a city that you can go golfing in the day and skiing at night, Ottawa is also a place that that can be done to a lesser extent. Both countries have great lakes yes. Minnesota is the land of 10 000 lakes but Ontario has over 100 000.
I guess what I am trying to say is that they are two distinct countries, with two distinct philosophies about the people that live in there land, to me this is the most important difference that seperates to two countries.
I love Canada its my home and I will always go back there, having said that I will also work in the USA because there are obvious advantages for my line of business. |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| So, how's the whole objective thing going so far? |
My guess is "out the window," especially after that post above. I have avoided posting here simply because I can't be objective on this topic...  I'll let EFLTrainer handle it since he can be. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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so true Pligganease.
i don't even get the nationalistic rant inspector gadget was on.. all this about canada's superior this and that.. ontario has more lakes than minnesota making canada superior.. and both vancouver and ottawa have golf AND skiing making canada the obvious choice.. not to mention canada's amazing economy.. and then ends with inspector gadget wanting to work in the U.S.
one of the stranger ends to a rant i've read in a long time. |
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