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jaykimf
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: |
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jaykimf,
Thank you for your reply.
Would you mind finding and posting links to the salary scales and benefits for professors or sessional lecturers at any of the major top five Korean universities?
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Yes I would mind, do your own homework. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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jaykimf,
This is something interesting from NYU.
Language lecturers are an integral component of language instruction at NYU. While the majority of language sections offered are taught by teaching assistants and instructors, language lecturers provide much needed coordination, continuity, and consistency in instruction.
Language lecturers are distinct from tenure track faculty in several ways: they are ineligible for tenure or sabbaticals; have no obligation to conduct research, although they are not precluded from doing so; and are required to hold only an M.A. degree.
Policies
Listed below are policies that are specific to language lecturer appointments.
Titles & Qualifications
Language Lecturer - M.A. and professional attainment in language instruction
Senior Language Lecturer - M.A. or Ph.D. and at least six years of professional attainment in language instruction.
Director of Language Instruction (administrative title)
Terms of Appointment
Annual term
Language lecturers are appointed for the academic year (September to May) and paid over twelve months (October 1 - September 1). Summer appointments are optional and are made with additional compensation.
Length
Language Lecturers - the initial appointment can be made for up to three years. One subsequent reappointment can be made for up to three years. Appointments in this rank can not be made for more than six years.
Senior Language Lecturers - the initial appointment can be made for up to three years. The subsequent reappointment(s) can be made for up to five years. There is no limit to the number of years that a senior language lecturer can be appointed.
http://www.nyu.edu/fas/GAP/FAS/AppointRecord1.html#1.6 |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Double post..
Last edited by Homer on Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:46 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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How many hours did they teach? Full-time for a sessional professor is nine hours.
How many full-time, foreign professors teach nine hours?
Did the part-time professors that you are referring to earn their degrees from Korean universities? In Korea, are degrees from Korean universities valued the same as degrees from North American or some European universities?
See RR I am not comparing professors back home to intstructors here (well you seem bent on calling instructors here professors....).
The part time professors back home earned their degrees back home and have employment stability that never goes beyond a semester.
As for N-A degrees vs Korea degrees not they are not valued the same...in North Am that is.
Then again, North Am does not put much value on Japanese, Chinese, most Eastern European and many other nations degrees...whats your point there?
But, I have a question RR: for all your griping about pay scales of professors...are you even qualified to be a tenure professor?
a) PHD
b) Several publications in the field of research of your PHD
c) Several research grants in your field
d) Meaningful research
e) Fluent in Korean (as this is afterall Korea).
If not, then you have absolutely no claim to professorship or any of the things related to that position (pay, work conditions).
What you are doing (and have been doing forever now) is stiring the pot in your demented little world where you think you should be paid like a prof when in fact you are not a prof at all.
By the way RR, sorry to break this to you but NYU has nothing to do with any of the universities here as it is an american university. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Does the Korean government have authority to determine who should be called "Professor?" Is the Korean government wrong about the E-1 visa?
E-1 Status (Professors)
This category applies to foreigners who, as qualified individuals specified by the Educational Law, wish to instruct special fields of study or engage in the guidance of research at junior colleges or higher educational institutions, or the institutions corresponding to such levels.
* In the case of a national or a public University, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
Immigration Bureau
Visa Issuance procedure
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Last edited by schwa on Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:18 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Does the Korean government have authority to determine who should be called "Professor?" |
Why not?
In case you have not noticed RR...this is K-o-r-e-a.... |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Many Korean universities have full-time professors who don't have a PhD. So do many universities in Canada and the US, for that matter. My mother was professor for 30 years and she never bothered to complete her PhD. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Many Korean universities have full-time professors who don't have a PhD. So do many universities in Canada and the US, for that matter. My mother was professor for 30 years and she never bothered to complete her PhD. |
Exactly.
This is what I noted previously.
Some people seem to think you MUST have a Ph.D. or doctorate to be a professor. I looked at the faculties of two large Korean universities. Here is a list of professors without Ph.D.s (Notice they have various ranks--assistant, associate, and full--simply written as Professor).
I did not include their names (__ __ __). The highest degree is noted.
Archeology
1. Associate Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Archeology
Arts
1. Assistant Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
Economics (and Management)
1. Professor / __ _ _ / Master of Business Administration
2. Professor / __ __ _ / Master of Arts in Management
Education
1. Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
English Language and Literature
1. Professor /_ __ _ / Master of Arts
Finance
1. Professor / _ __ _ / Master of Business Administration
Fine Arts
1. At one university 12 professors have Master of Fine Arts (1 Full, 5 Associate, 6 Assistant)
2. Assistant Professor / __ __ __ / Master of Arts
3. Professor / ___ ____ __ / Bachelor of Fine Arts
German Language and Literature
1. Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
Japanese Language and Literature
1. Associate Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Master of Arts
2. Professor / ___ ___ / Master of Arts
Music
1. Associate Professor / ___ ___ ____/ Bachelor of Music
2. Professor / ____ _____ ___ / Bachelor of Music
3. At one university 10 (full) professors have masters?degrees.
Natural Sciences (Biology)
1. Professor / ___ ___ ___/ Master of Science
Physical Education
1. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Physical Education
2. Professor / ______ ____ ____/ Master of Arts
3. Professor / ___ ___ ____/ Master of Arts
Sociology
1. Professor / __ __ __/ Master of Arts in Sociology
2. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology
3. Professor / ___ ____ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Many Korean universities have full-time professors who don't have a PhD. So do many universities in Canada and the US, for that matter. My mother was professor for 30 years and she never bothered to complete her PhD. |
Exactly.
This is what I noted previously.
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Here's a suggestion Real Reality: Hop into your time machine , go back to a time before the current glut in PHDs and get yourself a tenured position before the competition heats up. What credentials do you have to stack up against all the unemployed and underemployed PHDs in the current job market? |
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inspector gadget

Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: s |
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FROZEN???
For who?
First year was starting at 2 million plus 200 000 OT 35 hours teaching
Second year 2.3 Million base, plus OT teaching = 2.6 or 2.8 M won with with only 22 hours teaching
I dare say its only frozen for those who are not searching hard enough, higher salaries are out there folks, take some time, you are the one that is in demand. It all depends on what you bring to the table!!!!!!
If you are versed in the art of negotiating as I am that will be advantagous.
Good Luck, its not that hard |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| As the inspector sad...salaries are not frozen RR...they are open to negociation...providing you have something to negociate with. |
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