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vox · Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Location: Jeollabukdo

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Mills · Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Location: Incheon

khyber · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction

wow vox...that's pretty intense.
Of course, it certainly shows no correlation between pot and violent behaviour.

I have a friend who would eat macaroni and cheese everyday. Then one day, he beat someone up. Whoa. Let's ban mac and cheese.

vox · Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Location: Jeollabukdo

Khyber, no matter what kind of a day I'm having when my little dictator friend Satori is irreciprocably demanding proof just in order to initiate conversations, I'm glad you're here to remind me that there are always yet-unexplored depths of brain-death.

your example is a drug that makes me feel better about myself.

A slightly less-briefly-discussed driving incident
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n411.a06.html

Another
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n619.a05.html

vox · Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Location: Jeollabukdo

Satori · Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all

vox · Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Location: Jeollabukdo

igotthisguitar · Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:33 am Post subject:

Gorgias · Joined: 27 Aug 2005

Oh my God, this thread is getting very complex.

@Mills, just go to an Arab country and see how many minutes it takes to see some one smoking hash or weed, or how long it takes to buy a "finger" or how many men you meet or have tea with who don't offer you a joint or a few tokes of their (really good) hash. (Their weed is just above bunk however.) Sorry I didn't click on your links because I don't care for links and statistics. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say weed caused 911; just several pages back, someone asked about a civilization that was affected by pot, and I suggested the Arab civilization. For example, any Egyptian will tell you with pride: "Nasser was a big-time-stoner." The Moroccans, Syrians, Lebanese (obviously) and the Palestinians too smoke tons of hash.

@vox. Interesting posts, thanks for giving the other side of the issue. I liked your long post in particular, thanks for taking the time to write that up; but I didn't click on the links, I like your own words better than stats.

@satori,
Google won't find them for me now, but years ago I read two interesting books, I thought the titles were "Lives of the English Eccentrics" and "Religious Fanaticism in America" both I thought were by Edith Sitwell. That's what I mean by kooky-ness, just odd stuff, not necessarily an Iman's holimly (wrong word for sure).
But don't be saying pot smokers don't have some odd philosophical ideas, we've all thought them ourselves: God and the Universe and Butterflies dreams and what not. I don't mean it's all bad philosophy, just that compared to work-a-day stuff it's a bit strange. I recall myself pronouncing at my grandmother's 92nd birthday dinner: "There's no hope for pagans!"

@AxlRose. Yah been there done that too. But it was crack not heroin. Crack and heroin are indeed a whole different ball-game than weed.

@Igotthisguitar, sure, the big industries are certainly evil forces. But still I personally don't much care between cotton or hemp, pulp-paper or hemp-paper, rape-seed oil or hemp-oil. I just want to get high from time to time without having to worry about a permanant drug conviction going on my record.

This pot talk is making me sad. Atleast 6 months before a vacation.... Crying or Very sad

endo · Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home

vox · Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Location: Jeollabukdo

VOX
I hope I got your attention. Wink

I'm really just curious; but have you ever smoked herb and if so what were your experiences like?
I would just like to know if someone with your viewpoint has ever had any experience with marijuana.
Thanks in advance.[/quote]

Dude, I'd love to discuss whether or not I've ever had any personal experience with marijuana but the issues deserve to get dealt with on their own terms. Besides there isn't an answer I could give either way that an addict couldn't equivocate to try and shut down discussion, so...

I did mention earlier that I counted in my life eleven different people, most of them friends, some of them close, who started out as beautiful people with their own quirks, and one by one descended into paranoia from pot, and suffered problems in their work relationships and in their personal relationships and are still messed up today in various states of indisputable f**ked-upness. But actually I am wrong about the number of users I know enough to keep track of their lives. Actually it's a lot more. I came from a hard neighborhood where now the Hell's Angels distribute (it used to be individual growers just helping out their friends) and I escaped most of the desperation of that environment and went on to university and had a kind of an unusual but really rewarding career in the arts, and on the way I got to meet users from many different social backgrounds.

One was a friend who was all about cannabis legalization, preached moderation but abused it during hard financial times and now you can't even say hello to him without him trying to second-guess your motive for a greeting.

Some were pushers who just got too into their product.

One - brief girlfriend, a prestigiously published writer/poet - was manipulated by a pusher-friend into the creativity crap theory and today can't write without pot and can't produce when on pot and has lots of personality problems when she's off pot (the Beatles had a very interesting, telling experiment on drugs and creativity. They taped a session they played on dope or coke... it doesn't matter they estimated equally their heightened creativity. When they came down from their high, they were mortified with embarassment at the s**t they recorded and hid the tape for the longest time)

Some of them were D&D players who would become useless after smoke break.

Most of them however were moderate occasional users with jobs between $24K-$40K+. A very close friend tried to quit, couldn't and socially disintegrated.

Some came from rich families, some came from working class families, some came from the hood, but THE ONE THING THAT THEY ALL SHARE in common today is that they are all hopelessly f**ked up, have no understanding of how to manage their own finances, have potential that will never get realized, and spout the gospel of Satori, even while they are chronically underemployed and having profound problems finding good love. All of them. Some have stolen jewelry from their own parents at Christmas dinner reconciliations, and some have not paid heating (oil) bills for months and chopped up their furniture for kindling to stay warm, some are in construction but are unreliable workers, some are in jail for petty crimes, some are working in technology and have to push their habit away during quarterly reports just to be productive, some bookkeep for small companies and also have to keep their habit at a distance in order to get stuff done, but one thing is for sure I COULD NEVER GET ALL OF THEM IN THE SAME ROOM. They come from all over. They're all on pot. Most of them preach moderation. None of them are in control.

I think at a certain point the polemic ideals that we cherish in our teens and twenties give way to real experiences which take more real estate in the memory, and demand more consideration. Although that is always a danger to generalize about people, when it comes to things instead of people, like pot and alcohol and cigs, it is quite responsible to be practical and acknowledge trends.

SPINOZA · Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul

itaewonguy · Joined: 25 Mar 2003

What��s with all the statistics? I mean come on! I can find stats that report not drinking 8 glasses of water a day will cause some negative effect on the body! I have always seemed to function fine on half that! I can find stats which say drinking cola has bad health effects!! SO F@#$King what!!
Everything around us is bad for us! I��m sure if someone made a statistic on the air consumption of Seoul for over 30 years it would say! You will be lucky to be alive!!
Marijuana is no WORSE than cigarettes! And no worse than alcohol!
It does bring creativity! Or a HIGH! A euphoric feeling! That��s why it��s far out man!! Chill dude!! Obviously it has some great effects to the mind!
No substance is meant to be abused! If cigarettes are legal then marijuana should be too!!
Humans should have the right to chose what they want to put into their bodies!
And this is also why I believe ecstasy should be legal too! Because this will prevent the 10��s of millions of people EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT around the world a drug which they have no idea who manufactured it or what��s in it! The government needs to wake up and realize the times have changed and the drug of Choice is X. so its best the FDA approves it and we start seeing government made X that way we know whats in it and its as safe as it can be, if you CHOSE to take it! IT DOESN��T KILL! We all know this!!
If alcohol is available for people to drink and kill themselves with and do all the other abusive things they do.. Then X has to be made available! It��s a far better HIGH, clean and you don��t need to drink liters of liquid to get buzzed!
The X generation? I think that was my generation... the new guys are doing X like this going out of fashion and having a GREAT TIME!!!

POT and X doesn��t hurt anyone!! Its time we legalized it! Because we all know sooner or later it will be legalized! Maybe not our lifetime! But soon enough it will available for those who want it! In Its cleanest form!
Yes their will be deaths! And abuse stories! Etc.. SO WHAT! Alcohol and cigarettes have countless!!!!
So what��s the difference!! Responsible drug users should not be punished for abusive people who kill themselves or others on it! Alcohol & tobacco is still here and we all know that kills yourself and others.. HELLO!!!!!!

dulouz · Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus

I was a hospital administrator for a long time. We had 700 patient visits a day and 12,000 admissions each year. Problems from marijuana use were never a concern both in psych and in the rest of the hosp. There just wasn't much work generated. The docs hated cigarettes and booze. You could actually show damage. Damage from pot was much harder to show becuase there wasn't much if any at all.