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thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:10 am Post subject:

AbbeFaria wrote:

BJWD wrote:

For another take on this topic (also audio/visual) see

http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2006/03/when-in-doubt-offend-everyone.html

I in no way endorse the subject matter of the video, though I may agree with it, mods please don't get mad at me.

That was one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

"If you keep crying, we'll give you something to cry about."

Very Happy

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Oh and this:

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I in no way endorse the subject matter of the video, though I may agree with it, mods please don't get mad at me.

Why do you do that? It's just annoying. Seriously.

Well, didn't mean to annoy, but I'm kinda on my last chance here with the mods.

And yeah, it was very funny.

Hollywoodaction

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

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Actually, he said that was then and this is now.

Right, so insulting the prophet was forbidden then, but now it's o.k. Of course, plenty of muslims think, and Shariah Law still demands, that the penalty for such an offence is death.

He has no basis, Islamically, for stating such an opinion, and was most likely telling you what you wanted to hear, because as all Muslims know, Mohammed is a role model for all time, and the texts of the Koran are immutable and unchanging.

Oh, please. You weren't even there.

rapier

Joined: 16 Feb 2003

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject:

bucheon bum wrote:

She is American dude, I wouldn't be too worried about her.

I hope you're right.

Honor Killings come to the USA
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archives/003699.shtml

-and Canada
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001085.php

I know how you like to present the Muslim perspective though, so to balance my post, lets hear a Muslims opinion.

MAINTAINING FAMILY HONOR
by Al Skudsi bin Hookah, roving reporter and foreign correspondent for The Gaza Gajeera.
Jan 20, 2003

I am very unhappy. Our way of life is under attack. And we are not fighting back. Deep down, we know that when a woman has disgraced her family, nothing will restore honor except by killing her. This is understood in Jordan, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Egypt, the Gaza strip and the West Bank. So why are we Arabs telling the Western press that honor killing is cultural, that it is not really part of Islam? Our way of life is based on maintaining our honor. And make no mistake about it: a woman does tarnish her family's honor by engaging in pre-marital sex, or by getting herself raped, when she seeks divorce and when she marries against her family's wishes.

Why are we pussyfooting? Are we ashamed of what we do? Why are some of us trying to play it down? Like the people who say it's the same as battering women in America. Come on, now. Sometimes, when we correct a wife's behavior by a well-deserved beating, we can maybe go a little too far. But that's different. Or there's this guy, Mohammed Haz Yahya at the Hebrew University (wouldn't you know it), who makes believe killing to protect our honor is like the western world's crime of passion. Come on now.

It's not just religious leaders who know it's the right thing to do. Many of the most progressive political leaders are the ones who defend the practice. To maintain the integrity of our society and our traditions, we must maintain our honor by any and every means. And keeping our women pure is a big part of our honor. So there's no point saying honor killing isn't really part of our religion. Our religion isn't just what's in the Koran. Honor killings fit into the cultural context of today's Islamic teachings. Honor and Islam are inextricably bound; they are what give our life meaning. A strong religion demands we choose to maintain our honor.

I am also annoyed that news reports focus on gory details instead of showing compassionate understanding of what motivated the men who act vigorously to maintain honor. They are the real victims. Their honor was violated, so killing the offending woman is self-defense. Instead, like in this story, reporters graphically describe the damage done by the ax -- of course an ax is going to do damage. Listen to this:

" Two months ago, when she tried to run away yet again, Kina grabbed a kitchen knife and an ax and stabbed and beat the girl [his daughter] until she lay dead in the blood-smeared bathroom of the family's Istanbul apartment. He then commanded one of his daughters-in-law to clean up the mess. When his two sons came home from work 14 hours later, he ordered them to dispose of the 5-foot-3 corpse, which had been wrapped in a carpet and a blanket. The girl's head had been so mutilated, police said, it was held together by a knotted cloth."
And this:
"Kifaya Husayn, a 16-year-old Jordanian girl, was lashed to a chair by her 32-year-old brother. He gave her a drink of water and told her to recite an Islamic prayer. Then he slashed her throat. Immediately afterward, he ran out into the street, waving the bloody knife and crying, 'I have killed my sister to cleanse my honor.' Kifaya's crime? She was raped by another brother, a 21-year-old man. Her judge and jury? Her own uncles, who convinced her eldest brother that Kifaya was too much of a disgrace to the family's honor to be allowed to live. The murderer was sentenced to fifteen years, but the sentence was subsequently reduced to seven and a half years, an extremely severe penalty by Jordanian standards."
This one is better. At least the reporter focused on why the brother had to kill his sister.

A 25-year-old Palestinian who hanged his sister with a rope: "I did not kill her, but rather helped her to commit suicide and to carry out the death penalty she sentenced herself to. I did it to wash with her blood the family honor that was violated because of her and in response to the will of society that would not have had any mercy on me if I didn't . . . Society taught us from childhood that blood is the only solution to wash the honor."
And here, at least, we can see it isn't just some ignorant slobs who live in the boonies.
" `I would do what I have to do,' said Bassam al-Hadid, a Jordanian with an American doctorate who spent 12 years as a hospital administrator in the United States, when asked whether he would kill a daughter who had sex outside marriage."
I have to say that I'm heartened to see that in families that respect themselves, women are as dedicated as men.

"Samia Sarwar, 29, mother of two boys aged 4 and 8, was shot dead today in lawyer Hina Jillani's office by a bearded man accompanying her mother and uncle. `He's my helper, I can't walk,' said the mother, when Hina told the two men to get out. As the mother went to sit down in front of Hina's desk, and Saima stood up from her chair, the bearded man whipped out a pistol from his waistcoat and shot Saima in the head, killing her instantly."
A European I know said he doesn't understand why a girl who is raped has to die to protect her family's honor. "After all," he said, "it isn't her fault". Is it so hard to understand that when an unmarried woman is no longer sexually pure, the family is humiliated? Her lack of chastity brings shame to everyone in her family. How else can her family's honor be cleansed except by her blood? What's to understand?

Actually, it's important that you understand that her impure state can destabilize morality in our whole society. If you don't understand that, you won't understand that our honor demands that we must tolerate no impertinance.

Everyone must know their place. Men must be in control of their families. Women and children must obey. Women must devote themselves to the care of their husband and children. Or things will spiral out of control.

We could end up with a big bunch of Kola Boofs. And you know what a headache she is. She was born respectable but she was brought up in America. Maybe that has something to do with it. She poses barebreasted on the cover of that disgusting book she wrote and she no longer considers herself a Muslim.

It's too bad her publisher had to be threatened before he stopped publishing her latest book. But he should have known better than to try to publish a book that is so disrespectful to the Arab Islamic communities in Europe and in Africa.

Boof has made terrible accusations. Listen to this one:

"As a black African woman, I cannot and will not be silent as black men in Arab nations are chained up like dogs to the back doors of Muslim households and fed, literally, from doggie bowls. I will not be silent as African women are raped, mutilated and mentally demeaned by sadistic human beings calling themselves children of Allah. I will not be silent as the number of little black boys who are sodomized by their Arab masters continues to soar, while even worse atrocities attend the lives of little black girls."
So maybe her disobedience started small. But, now, like the Shariah court in London's Islamic community said: she is guilty of "deliberately and maliciously bearing false witness against religious sentiment and of willing treason against her Arab Muslim father's people and against her nation, the Sudan."
And that's why Sudan has a fatwa out on her.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/honor_killings.htm

AbbeFaria

Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:49 am Post subject:

rapier wrote:

bucheon bum wrote:

She is American dude, I wouldn't be too worried about her.

Christ, I hate these people. This is so digusting you almost want to believe it's a satire. Some sick joke that goes on for several parapraphs. How can you defend such a vile practice, any of you? All the apologists out there. What are you going to say, it was taken out of context? She's not speaking for all muslims? Seems she read off a good list of the dominant muslim countries that she speaks perfectly for. As many of you are so fond of saying when you decry the U.S. for some kind of abuse "What would you do if it was your daughter/sister/mother? If you even try to defend this as some kind of cultural difference, you're just as disgusting as they are.

Religion of peace my white American a$$.

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On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:07 am Post subject:

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MAINTAINING FAMILY HONOR
by Al Skudsi bin Hookah, roving reporter and foreign correspondent for The Gaza Gajeera.

I'm always a bit skeptical when someone is quoted as defending their position in words that sound exactly like the way their enemies claim they think. Sorta like George W. Bush allegedly saying that the constitution is just a piece of paper. Or Stalin saying that one death is a tragedy but a million deaths is a statistic. "See, I always said Stalin was a cold-blooded mass murderer, and here he is admitting it!!"

Anyway, the only references I can find to this Al Skudsi bin Hookah guy or his Gaza Gajeera newspaper are either on anti-Islamic websites, or on message boards linking to anti-Islamic websites. And about 99% of them seem to be about this same article. Can anyone find any other references to him or his newspaper?

(Not that I doubt that honour killings happen in the Muslim world or that some people defend them, just that something about the "bin Hookah" piece sounds a little three-dollar-billish).

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:28 am Post subject:

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Oh, please. You weren't even there.

No, but you told me what he said. Don't be so gullible in future when talking to muslims.

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:46 am Post subject:

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Then how come all Muslim countries didn't follow Iran's lead and lower the age of consent to 9?

Because most Muslim countries are not Shariah states (although many are moving in that direction).

(Assuming that Shariah Law = 9 as the age of consent...)

How is it possible that most Muslim countries are not Shariah states, if all Muslims believe in Shariah? Why, for example, did we have to wait until the Iranian Revolution for Shariah to be introduced in Iran? Why didn't this happen under the Shah?

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:04 am Post subject:

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How is it possible that most Muslim countries are not Shariah states, if all Muslims believe in Shariah?

Firstly, who said all Muslims believe in Shariah, and secondly most Muslim countries are not democracies and hence do not represent the views of their people. Yet, quite often, when Muslims are presented with elections, they vote for advocates of Shariah.

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Why didn't this happen under the Shah?

Because he was a Western orientated stooge.

Mills

Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:44 am Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

It is also a tribute to Al Jazeera for letting her express her views. It is probably the most open station

How many networks do you think there are in the ME?

Mills

Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:49 am Post subject:

Rteacher wrote:

People with little or no spiritual realization who exploit a religion for material gain are amongst the lowest of mankind...

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:53 am Post subject:

Mills wrote:

Kuros wrote:

It is also a tribute to Al Jazeera for letting her express her views. It is probably the most open station

How many networks do you think there are in the ME?

A few dozen at least; How many do you think there are, Mills?

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:55 am Post subject:

LBC Al-Jazeera Abu Dhabi Al-Arabiya MBC MBC 2 Those are the biggest satillite channels that I can think of. Oh, how could I forget Al-Hurra? And al-manar, hizballah's channel.

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:

Partial list: * Bahrain TV * Bahrain TV Channel 55 * AldiyarSat * Al Forat Network * Alhurra * Al-Iraqiya * Alsharqiya TV * Alsumaria * Ashur TV * Ishtar TV * KurdSat * Jordan Satellite Channel * Nourmina Satellite Channel * Al Rai TV * Flash TV * KTV 1 * KTV 2 * KTV 3 * KTV 4 * Kuwait Space Channel - Kuwait's international satellite channel * Smile TV * Sowalif * Al-Manar TV * Arab Tourism Channel * Heya TV * LBC * Murr TV * Nagham * NBN * NewTV * Noursat * Télé Liban * Télé Lumière * Oman TV Satellite * Palestinian Satellite Channel * Aljazeera * Aljazeera Live * Qatar TV * Al Ekhbariya * Al Majd Documentary * Al Majd Holy Quran * Al Majd Religious Service * Al Riyadiah * Iqraa * Rotana Clip * Rotana Khalijiah * Rotana Tarab * Rotana Zaman * SAT TV * Saudi Arabian TV 1 * Saudi Arabian TV 2 * Shababiyah TV * Syria Satellite Channel * Abu Dhabi TV * Ajman TV * Al Aqariya TV * Al Arabiya * Al Deera * Al Emarah * Al Fayhaa * Citruss TV * CNBC Arabiya * Dubai TV * Emirates Channel * Infinity * MBC * Nojoom * PMC * Sama Dubai * Sharjah TV * Yemen Satellite TV

Mills

Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:04 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

Because he was a Western orientated stooge.

For more on American/Iranian histroy, specifically American interference of democracy in Iran, check out All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror, by Stephan Kinzer.

Mills

Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:05 am Post subject:

Bulsajo wrote:

Mills wrote:

Kuros wrote:

It is also a tribute to Al Jazeera for letting her express her views. It is probably the most open station

How many networks do you think there are in the ME?

A few dozen at least; How many do you think there are, Mills?

EXCLUDING state run? Poorly phrased I confess, I meant stations that were not simply the mouthpiece of their respective governments.

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