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dulouz
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 Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: USA Immigration Bill Gives Amnesty to All Illegal Immigrants |
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Its just sleaze and more corruption and then more sleaze. Americans sent a clear message -NO AMNESTY. Washington then gives amnesty and preferential treatment to illegal aliens. Then they double the H1-B's visas.
I don't care if you think they just want to work, I don't care if you think they are just supporting a family, I don't care if you think if they are doing jobs American don't want to do. Its about integrity. We pass a law, then some people snub it at will and leisure and then show big sad eyes and insist these laws don't apply to them. Thats called the end of the union. Why have a government if its really just a charade? Theres so much filth packed into this issue is sickening.
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WASHINGTON - Senators writing a major immigration law overhaul bill moved Thursday toward accepting an approach under which illegal immigrants could stay in the United States while working toward permanent residence and eventual citizenship.
Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., stressed that his plan moving through the Senate Judiciary Committee would not constitute an amnesty, a policy rejected by the Bush administration and most Americans, according to polls. Kennedy said it would not give the estimated 11 million people in the country illegally any advantage over the 3 million living overseas while waiting for a decision on green card applications.
Committee Chairman Arlen Specter said the panel would consider the proposal put forward by Kennedy and Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., when it reconvenes on March 27 after a weeklong recess.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., has made clear that immigration reform will be on the chamber's floor that week, regardless of whether the Judiciary Committee comes up with a comprehensive bill.
Congress, at the urging of President Bush, has made comprehensive immigration reform a top priority for this election-year session, pushing forward proposals combining immigration enforcement, a guest worker program and a policy toward people living in the country illegally.
The future treatment of undocumented immigrants, Kennedy said, "really is the heart and soul of this whole undertaking."
The McCain-Kennedy plan would allow those in the country illegally to obtain six-year nonimmigrant visas under which they could work in the country and travel outside the country. They would have to pay a $1,000 fine and undergo background checks.
After six years, the immigrant who pays back taxes, is learning English and pays an additional $1,000 fine can apply for a green card, or permanent residency.
Specter, R-Pa., said the committee would vote on a version of the McCain-Kennedy proposal on the 27th. There would also be a vote on the chief alternative, offered by Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., that would give illegal immigrants up to five years to leave the country. These immigrants could apply from their home country to return, either as temporary workers or for permanent residency.
"Our intention is not to strand anyone outside the country," Kyl said. But he said that the McCain-Kennedy plan would give an illegal immigrant allowed to stay and work in the country a "huge advantage" over a person having to wait for years in his or her own country for a green card.
But with Democrats, and several Republicans, on the committee behind McCain-Kennedy, it appeared to have the edge.
Cornyn and Kennedy said they would work over the recess next week on the structure of a guest worker program, which would start out with 400,000 visas. The committee is also expected to take up a separate provision for temporary agriculture workers in preparation for debate on the floor.
Senators from both parties in the committee on Wednesday objected to voting on a bill before the panel reaches a consensus on guest workers. Several Republicans suggested that the Senate first deal with enforcement, and take up the guest worker issue later in the year.
"This is a very complicated bill," Specter said. "And I think we have to get it done right."
Bush, in a State of the Union address two years ago, urged Congress to create a worker program under which participants could gain legal status for a specific time and then be required to return home. It would not provide an automatic path to citizenship.
The House at the end of last year passed a bill that increases penalties for illegal immigration activities and requires employers to verify the legal status of their employees. But it did not address the guest worker issue, and critics argued that it was futile to try to close the border when demand for low-wage workers in this country remains so strong.
"We have a broken system," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Wednesday. "It needs to be fixed and it needs to be addressed in a comprehensive way." |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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They should let the 11 million stay, with no fine, and they should let the 3 million, who are waiting outside, go in. The USA has room and needs these workers and some new blood.
Timothy McVeigh?????? WTF
But, you said "is" a better American. Maybe being dead makes him better in the present?
There is no hope for you now. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Dulouz wrote: |
| Timothy McVeigh is a better American than 90% of the current US Senators. |
Thanks for the heads up, crackhead: now I can just skip over your posts without bothering to read them,. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| That fact is, they're already in-country. Better to give them legitimacy and have them pay taxes than incur the cost of trying to find and deport them. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| While you make a good point, it might encourage even more people to illegally immigrate since they figure if they stay long enough, they'll be granted amnesty. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| While you make a good point, it might encourage even more people to illegally immigrate since they figure if they stay long enough, they'll be granted amnesty. |
They'll still keep coming though, deportation or not, amnesty or not,-- there's big bucks in it for smugglers. Doing nothing won't work, and trying to find and deport them isn't going to work either and just cost outrageous amounts of money. Occasional amnesties are the lesser of a few evils and gets the gov't tax money. Also, if the gov't made it easier for Joe Schmo to immigrate, even on temporary (say 5-year) work visa scheme, it would put a big dent in the smugglers.
Many immigrants, legal or not, send their money home--that's why they go....they just want the chance to work at a better wage and take care of their families etc. Ask any immigrant, most DON'T want to leave their homes but local economics give them little choice if they want to rise above subsistance level.
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dogbert
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| While you make a good point, it might encourage even more people to illegally immigrate since they figure if they stay long enough, they'll be granted amnesty. |
Especially since there have been amnesties in the past.
To the wonder boy who says we have the room and need the workers:
In my lifetime (which is not that many decades) the population of California, to take one example has doubled, the demographics have shifted alarmingly, and the quality of life has declined measurably. No thanks. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| While you make a good point, it might encourage even more people to illegally immigrate since they figure if they stay long enough, they'll be granted amnesty. |
Especially since there have been amnesties in the past.
To the wonder boy who says we have the room and need the workers:
In my lifetime (which is not that many decades) the population of California, to take one example has doubled, the demographics have shifted alarmingly, and the quality of life has declined measurably. No thanks. |
Well in a state that suffers almost every natural destructive scourge known to man each year, is stuffed with 30-something million people in such a small area competing for space, has water and power issues every summer and some of the most outrageous real estate prices...yeah I think life would be getting pretty ratty there.
It's a nice place to visit but I'd never live there---and it's not because of the Mexicans.
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Wangja
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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and we're also admitting a great mass of unskilled, uneducated people and giving them citizenship, work, and benefits as well.
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Didn't you always do that? Isn't it immigration that made America great?
Were it not for immigration, wouldn't Americans now be riding round on (not in) Mustangs firing arrows at buffalo? |
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Gopher
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I just met a German who was very concerned about Turkish immigration there |
Some German purist types have been "worried" about that for the last 30 years of gastarbeiters. When I lived there, the Turks I met seemed pretty integrated to me. They have always done the low-level jobs that Germans didn't want to do.
I'm sure one day in the future Mexico will have to import labour to do that kind of work as well. There will always be countries poor enough for their nationals to want to leave for a better life elsewhere. That's how it is with immigrants. |
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Gopher
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dulouz
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Whats going on here isn't "immigration" its gate crashing. No one is safe. No thing is safe. If some one wants what some one else has and they have big sad eyes, it becomes theirs.
Latin America has failed due in large part to its corruption. This immigration debate is simply more evidence of that. 30% of the Mexican economy is based or remittances. 30% of the Mexican economy is based on fraud. This is really the best they can come up with.
Turks in Germany? The deal witht he Turks was they were supposed to come and help rebuild and clean up and then go home. When that was supposed to happen they refused and and turn on the Germans and accused them of racism. Who is amoral in this regard? |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Turks in Germany? The deal witht he Turks was they were supposed to come and help rebuild and clean up and then go home. When that was supposed to happen they refused and and turn on the Germans and accused them of racism. |
Um, no. The Germans allowed them stay since they had integrated so well--1st and 2nd generation German-born Turks who'd never been to Turkey....and they kept doing the 3-D jobs Germans still didn't want to do.
But when unemployment in Germany is high and elections are coming, the far-right Jean-Marie-Le-Pen-types begin their "send the Turks home" sillyness--too many times to count and highly predictable.
No one takes them seriously. |
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