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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Oh those poor Japanese Reply with quote

The Italians built a big red building right next to the Yasukune War Shrine, and apparently it offends the sensitivities of Japanese people. All I can really say is "Haw haw!"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060320/od_afp/japanitalyarchitectureoffbeat_060320130147;_ylt=AiUufSbCrgTNipRd9LN3NTygOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--
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coffeeman



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it's very smart of them to be concerned of the overall environment. Usually it's corporations like Starbucks, McDonalds and Wal-Mart that want to cheapen classy historical areas with their bright colored plastic signs. Surprisingly, it's a government institution this time.

Oh well, it's probably mostly old farts complaining. I'll bet the young Japanese like the funky new Italian building. Smile
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coffeeman wrote:
Actually, it's very smart of them to be concerned of the overall environment. Usually it's corporations like Starbucks, McDonalds and Wal-Mart that want to cheapen classy historical areas with their bright colored plastic signs. Surprisingly, it's a government institution this time.

Oh well, it's probably mostly old farts complaining. I'll bet the young Japanese like the funky new Italian building. Smile


Just out of curiosity, do you know what the Yasukune War Shrine is?
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seeing as "coffeeman" has an avatar of the Colombian coffee man (Yay! it's fun to rip-off poor farmers by paying them next to nothing and then selling our shite coffee at a 1000% mark-up), I'm assuming he doesn't.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, to be fair, it heard that the zoning laws in that area require every building to venerate at least 1 Class A war criminal. Which explains why the nearby McDonalds sells a unique breakfast treat called "Hitler McMuffins."
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My girlfriend remarked that if they'd made a big statue of Mussolini it would've been more "consistent with the sensitivity of Japanese people."
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bigverne



Joined: 12 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
do you know what the Yasukune War Shrine is?


Do you?
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, it's a shrine that honours Japanese war dead and reminisces about the one big chance Japan had to liberate Asia. Its name ironically means "peaceful nation shrine." Every year it drives Chinese and Korean people a little insane when the prime minister visits it, which he does only to appease the far-right-wing element of the nation. And yet the part that offends the Japanese is a big red building nearby.
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
it's a shrine that honours Japanese war dead


That's all you needed to say. The rest is a mixture of your own subjective opinions and propaganda.
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visitor q



Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of altruism - Oh Obese Newfoundler, I Am Going To Throttle Your Neck, Kaffir

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also a shrine that honours the Koreans that died. You do know this, don't you? Or has your girlfriend and her friends blinded you to the truth?
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, at least the Japanese know what architecture is. Like I have said before, the world's best architects were certainly not born in Korea.
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coffeeman



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Yasukuni Shrine is in the Asakusa district of Tokyo, an area which has many traditional buildings. Old-fashioned area, lots of old people sipping tea in tea houses and shopping in the traditional market. Very few modern buildings. It's kept that way on purpose. That's why they don't want any wild red Italian buildings in the area.

I read that Koizumi visits the shrine because not going to the shrine would be to disregard the men who gave their lives in good faith to help the country. Seems like a reasonable excuse to me.
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coffeeman



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:
seeing as "coffeeman" has an avatar of the Colombian coffee man (Yay! it's fun to rip-off poor farmers by paying them next to nothing and then selling our *beep* coffee at a 1000% mark-up), I'm assuming he doesn't.


I use Juan Valdez because I loved his character in the old TV commercials. I am an advertising fanatic. Liked the ad campaign. I also love coffee including Columbian.

Yes, it sux that the coffee pickers get almost squat for the coffee. I should buy fair trade coffee. I have bought it in the past, but got lazy and nowadays just buy whatever I can get my hands on easily.

Unfortunately, it's the market that decides prices. The majority of people want to get coffee as cheap as possible. The corporations press on the coffee producers to get it at unfair prices. If you want to change this, the onus is on you to buy fair trade.

If anyone knows a way to get fair trade coffee in Korea (without going to Starbucks and paying an extra premium because it's Starbucks), please post the info on a Fair Trade Coffee thread.

Somebody needs to change people's minds on buying cheap coffee. It is possible. For example: look at the dolphin / tuna controversy years ago. People protested against the tuna companies because the dolphins were getting caught in the drift nets. Now most people are buying dolphin friendly tuna.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those that gave their lives for Japan also committed terrible crimes in the name of Japan. The fact that Japanese society trieds to hide the past instead of dealing with it is the problem. Instead of dealing with the past they would rather complain about a big red building. Germany has been struggling to deal with their past for year and years. They have done a lot and are continuing to do a lot. Japan has shown a complete inability to come to terms with the past.
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I_Am_Wrong



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah, I've been looking for fair trade coffee here for a while but have yet to find it. I've been thinking about just importing a bunch and, if there's interest, selling some to others at cost or just above cost.
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