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Apollo Moon Project Conspiracy Theory: The Poll
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Have Americans landed on the moon?
Of course, numbnuts!
73%
 73%  [ 65 ]
Not a chance, it was faked!
26%
 26%  [ 24 ]
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
...the only 'evidence'- the emphasis here being on "only" and not so much on "evidence"- that conspiracy theorists have is purported visual 'discrepancies'...


That's right, the shadows that are just wrong et al.

A collection of circumstantial straws of evidence and innuendo, in the absense of any direct evidence that backs up the assertions being thrown around here, is exactly that: a collection of circumstantial straws of evidence.

Many are grasping them.

I remember when the UN investigator into the Hariri assassination faced an extremely cynical press corps over some descrepancies in the investigation.

At one point they were grilling the UN investigator, a German prosecutor, I believe. "Why should we believe you?" they asked him.

His response was exactly what I've come to embrace myself: "You don't have to."

If people choose to believe the moon landing was a hoax, then that's their business. People can believe whatever they want. They can believe that NASA is killing Peruvian Indians and selling their blood to vampires in order to get rocket fuel (this is real in the Peruvian Andes, I kid you not), or they can believe that the moon is made of cheese, for that matter.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See, I can't live with that- I demand that people use the brains god gave them (whichever god that may be), I demand a separation betweeen entertaining fiction and reality, I demand that people use common sense and seek answers to real problems that plague us instead of inventing problems and then throwing themselves quixotically at them.

I'm sure these demands are the cause of the bitterness that I sometimes feel these days; the kooks that hang out here I can live with, but the apathy that I daily find in my friends, family and co-workers towards important political events (domestic as well as int'l.) makes me want to smash my head against the nearest wall sometimes.

But of course, on the plus side- that's the fire in my belly, the caffeine in my coffee, the issue that drives me- just wind me up and watch me go.

[well, that was probably far too much info to be sharing on this board, but anyway- I solemnly promise not post my turn-ons and turn-offs here]
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't follow the logic that a film of this nature would have any probative value (I took a lot of legal courses...) regarding the issue at hand... Here's from the first review of it off "Bulsajo's" link:

"IMAX's latest film, Magnificent Desolation: Walking on the Moon 3D, pays tribute to the 12 men who walked the moon while delivering beautiful impressions of what it may have been like to have been there. Produced, co-written and narrated by Tom Hanks, the film's raison d'etre is to give the audience the uncanny illusion that they are participating in an actual moonwalk, which the film in fact does successfully. But other than the fancy tricks of CGI and wired actors, the film offers little depth or even educational value..."
http://www.bigmoviezone.com/filmsearch/movies/movie_reviews/bmz_reviews.html?uniq=149

And this second review makes it clear that the only things new are some higher tech reenactments (than the original possible simulations ...) and other technical wizardry by the movie producers...

"Twelve astronauts spent a total of 299 hours on the moon, and as we watch reenactments of their adventures interspersed with news footage and recordings of conversations with NASA in Houston, we come as close to a moonwalk as any movie could take us..."
http://www.nypost.com/movies/53029.htm

As I noted before, I personally lived in Titusville, Florida for a couple years, and I worked as a movie extra/background character actor in Armageddon and HBO's From the Earth to the Moon. En route to shooting scenes at Kennedy Space Center I sat directly behind the chief technical advisor (to one of the films - I forget which) and - although he evidently had been a prominent techie working with NASA he matter-of-factly disclosed that many Gruman workers back then were convinced that what the world was shown on TV had been filmed at a simulation chamber on the roof of one of their hangars...(BTW, I played astronaut Frank Borman's uncle in a scene with Tom Hanks' real-life wife, Rita Wilson...)
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know RT, I never read the at big Movie Zone review before posting, and now that I have, I'd say that you are right in as much as this film is not what I had originally thought it was (a collection of actual footage displayed in Imax format).
It adds nothing to the 'debate' here.
Nor does it take anything away either.

I do still wonder about the 'previously unreleased footage' it claims to show.

But maybe we'll be seeing "Kilimanjaro: Top of the World" at the IMAX theatre this weekend instead of this one.
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Len8



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe all we have seen was rehearsed and played back as footage, because they couldn't do it on the moon. Equipment , and what have you to do the filming was to big to stick in the lunar module. So when Neil Armstrong was actually doing his moon landing and stuff we got pre recordered footage.

Just a thought.

On the other hand why is Armstrong so against giving interviews, and dealing with the public. Is it his personality or is it something else.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Len8 wrote:
Just a thought...On the other hand why is Armstrong so against giving interviews, and dealing with the public. Is it his personality or is it something else.


"Just a thought" is more accurately described as "wild speculation." You present no evidence to support your "prerecorded footage" scenario.

Your second part relies on innuendo.

In any case, you help reaffirm my position that there is no rational basis for denying the Moon landings.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Len8 wrote:
Just a thought...On the other hand why is Armstrong so against giving interviews, and dealing with the public.
Is it his personality or is it something else.


"Just a thought" is more accurately described as "wild speculation." You present no evidence to support your "prerecorded footage" scenario.

Your second part relies on innuendo.

In any case, you help reaffirm my position that there is no rational basis for denying the Moon landings.

Laughing It's ok Len, you raise a number of important questions Wink

Gopher:

I love the way you "de-construct" & belittle people's comments.

For a moment there i coulda swore you were "critiquing" something i'd posted.

btw - Are you actually trying to "convince or persuade" anyone of anything beside yourself?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Igotthisguitar: of course you don't see any problem with wild speculation and innuendo.
What you usually say is nonsense, and you live in world of wild speculation and innuendo.


Begging the Question

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fallacies+begging+the+question
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! A Google search! Take THAT, Gopher!
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Astronauts shown to be faking an earth shot (use full screen mode):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vgk1TQinLoA&search=%20moon%2Bhoax

Astronauts appear to be aided by puppet-style strings:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5JyJf3lA5TA&search=%20moon%2Bhoax
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Zulu



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poll Question:

Do those big metal birds in the sky actually carry people? I mean, everyone knows that's impossible.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't surprise me much at all if the journey to the moon were conclusively found to be staged as critics allege. Big government /big business/ big scientists, and the people for a time hailed as the biggest heroes in the end may turn out to be the biggest cheaters...
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me much at all if the journey to the moon were conclusively found to be staged as critics allege. Big government /big business/ big scientists, and the people for a time hailed as the biggest heroes in the end may turn out to be the biggest cheaters...


This just doesn't look good Shocked


NASA Can't Find Original Tape Of Moon Landing

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong's famous "one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind," a NASA spokesman said on Monday.

Armstrong's famous space walk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaloma said.

"We haven't seen them for quite a while. We've been looking for over a year and they haven't turned up," Hautaloma said.

The tapes also contain data about the health of the astronauts and the condition of the spacecraft. In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing, he said.

"I wouldn't say we're worried -- we've got all the data. Everything on the tapes we have in one form or another," Hautaloma said.

NASA has retained copies of the television broadcasts and offers several clips on its Web site.

But those images are of lower quality than the originals stored on the missing magnetic tapes.

Because NASA's equipment was not compatible with TV technology of the day, the original transmissions had to be displayed on a monitor and re-shot by a TV camera for broadcast Idea

Hautaloma said it is possible the tapes will be unplayable even if they are found, because they have degraded significantly over the years -- a problem common to magnetic tape and other types of recordable media.

The material was held by the National Archives but returned to NASA sometime in the late 1970s, he said.

"We're looking for paperwork to see where they last were," he said.
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