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Angelus



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:45 am    Post subject: Recruiting in Korea Reply with quote

First of all...Hi. I'm new to the forums. I'm a teacher in Korea and am also working as a part time recruiter. The teaching part is going well, but the recruiting part is really frustrating. Before getting involved in the recruiting business, I had no idea how messed up this business is.

On the one hand, the different academies tend to discriminate on all levels: race, age, sex, and even appearance. One academy owner said he only wanted an "attractive" white woman teacher. I sent 2 white female teachers for an interview and he said they weren't beautiful or feminine enough. Another owner didn't want to hire somebody because the teacher was too old. The list goes on and on. I guess they do have the right to have preferences, but in my opinion, it's blatant discrimination.

On the other hand, many teachers are a big problem. Some agree to show up for an interview but don't, without any notice. Some call and say they already found a different position. I guess some ppl just grab the first job offer that comes their way. In my opinion, it would make sense to go to all the interviews and choose the best option. Some teachers go so far as to sign a contract and then say they changed their minds at the last minute. These ppl are the worst because they are so selfish and lack any semblance of professionalism. They don't even consider how that might affect the students or the school.

Anyway, I'm thinking about getting out of this business. It's so hard to find quality teachers and owners. Sorry, I just had to vent.
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visitor q



Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of altruism - Oh Obese Newfoundler, I Am Going To Throttle Your Neck, Kaffir

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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YOU WHERE A DECEPTIVE RECRUITER YOURSELF!


Hear hear!
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Angelus



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that a lot of you who replied have been burned by recruiters before and/or you are the kind of teachers I described in my post....but to call me "deceptive" is rude. How have a deceived anyone? As I said in my previous post I have been learning about these things as I've been working. I also stated that I was frustrated with this system and that I was thinking of getting out of it. Unfortunately, that's the way the hakwon system is. I didn't make it. MANY of these owners are like that. The reason I wrote this post was to vent, but also to inform some fellow instructors of the kind of bigots that many owners are.

And Blackbear you can kiss my a s s. Call me scum to my face. Pm me your number and let's meet to...um.. discuss.... our differences.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiting in Korea Reply with quote

Angelus wrote:

On the other hand, many teachers are a big problem. Some agree to show up for an interview but don't, without any notice. Some call and say they already found a different position. I guess some ppl just grab the first job offer that comes their way.


While I don't have a very high opinion of a good number of "teachers" here (who have never heard of the word professionalism) you can't blame them for this one. Come on, you should know how recruiters work. They literally hound you silly until you say yes. They send tons of emails and phone you at ungodly hours of the night until you say yes. It's a common tactic to get people and you can't blame the teachers for finally just saying yes to what they "think" is a "good" job. Most other professions, you would go to all the interviews and then choose. Not this one. (Well, I did, but I was not new to the EFL industry)
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiting in Korea Reply with quote

blackbear wrote:
Angelus wrote:
First of all...Hi. I'm new to the forums. I'm a teacher in Korea and am also working as a part time recruiter. The teaching part is going well, but the recruiting part is really frustrating. Before getting involved in the recruiting business, I had no idea how messed up this business is.

On the one hand, the different academies tend to discriminate on all levels: race, age, sex, and even appearance. One academy owner said he only wanted an "attractive" white woman teacher. I sent 2 white female teachers for an interview and he said they weren't beautiful or feminine enough. Another owner didn't want to hire somebody because the teacher was too old. The list goes on and on. I guess they do have the right to have preferences, but in my opinion, it's blatant discrimination.

On the other hand, many teachers are a big problem. Some agree to show up for an interview but don't, without any notice. Some call and say they already found a different position. I guess some ppl just grab the first job offer that comes their way. In my opinion, it would make sense to go to all the interviews and choose the best option. Some teachers go so far as to sign a contract and then say they changed their minds at the last minute. These ppl are the worst because they are so selfish and lack any semblance of professionalism. They don't even consider how that might affect the students or the school.

Anyway, I'm thinking about getting out of this business. It's so hard to find quality teachers and owners. Sorry, I just had to vent.





YOU WHERE A DECEPTIVE RECRUITER YOURSELF! IF YOU KNEW THAT THESE HAGWONS WHERE DISCRIMINATING, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE QUIT THE RECRUITER BUSINESS ASAP!!!!! RECRUITERS THAT HAVE ACTED LIKE YOU ARE SCUM.....


You're a fucking dumbass. A recruiter having the cojones to come on here and say :
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Anyway, I'm thinking about getting out of this business. It's so hard to find quality teachers and owners. Sorry, I just had to vent.
was obviously trying to make a difference and go against the tide of BS. Major props to him/her for that, and not just treating it like a wholesale teacher factory, like 90% of all other recruiters. If anything, you just underscored the OP's particular frustration with trying to find level-headed teachers. Rolling Eyes
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Khyron



Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: Recruiting in Korea Reply with quote

blackbear wrote:
YOU WHERE A DECEPTIVE RECRUITER YOURSELF! IF YOU KNEW THAT THESE HAGWONS WHERE DISCRIMINATING, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE QUIT THE RECRUITER BUSINESS ASAP!!!!! RECRUITERS THAT HAVE ACTED LIKE YOU ARE SCUM.....
Wow. You're an @sshole. You're also a hypocrite. Like the poster above me said, this guy is reconsidering his job after seeing how the industry works. Even if he doesn't quit, who the hell are you to say that Angelus won't be one of the 'good' guys?

I'd say that 'teachers' that act like you are scum. Maybe you're one of those teachers that encourages the hagwon directers to act like they do.

Bravo to Angelus for making that post.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: Recruiting in Korea Reply with quote

Angelus wrote:
First of all...Hi. I'm new to the forums. I'm a teacher in Korea and am also working as a part time recruiter. The teaching part is going well, but the recruiting part is really frustrating. Before getting involved in the recruiting business, I had no idea how messed up this business is.

On the one hand, the different academies tend to discriminate on all levels: race, age, sex, and even appearance. One academy owner said he only wanted an "attractive" white woman teacher. I sent 2 white female teachers for an interview and he said they weren't beautiful or feminine enough. Another owner didn't want to hire somebody because the teacher was too old. The list goes on and on. I guess they do have the right to have preferences, but in my opinion, it's blatant discrimination.

On the other hand, many teachers are a big problem. Some agree to show up for an interview but don't, without any notice. Some call and say they already found a different position. I guess some ppl just grab the first job offer that comes their way. In my opinion, it would make sense to go to all the interviews and choose the best option. Some teachers go so far as to sign a contract and then say they changed their minds at the last minute. These ppl are the worst because they are so selfish and lack any semblance of professionalism. They don't even consider how that might affect the students or the school.

Anyway, I'm thinking about getting out of this business. It's so hard to find quality teachers and owners. Sorry, I just had to vent.


Are you on a E-2 visa? Last I heard it was illegal to work as a recruiter on one. I've known two people who got in trouble with Immigration for that.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The attack on Angelus was uncalled for.
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Angelus



Joined: 10 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to divulge too much info about myself....but I will say my work here is legal. I am also an instructor, so if anything, I try to get the best jobs for the teachers at REPUTABLE schools. Unfortunately, reputable doesn't equal undisriminating. That's my gripe. I don't enjoy wasting the time of qualified and diligent teachers, sending them to different schools that won't hire them based on gender,race, nationality, or appearance. I guess I want all the teachers who read this post to know that many of these so called "reputable" schools are only superficially so.

Anyway, after reading some of the posts, I was shocked to see that so many recruiters were that loathed. Now, I'm almost ashamed to admit I am one.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: Recruiting in Korea Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
Come on, you should know how recruiters work. They literally hound you silly until you say yes. They send tons of emails and phone you at ungodly hours of the night until you say yes. It's a common tactic to get people and you can't blame the teachers for finally just saying yes to what they "think" is a "good" job.


Actually I'm currently running into the opposite problem..disinterested recruiters who are supposed to be doing the legwork but aren't--then when they do bother to get back to me they're offering something in the wrong area of town. A week passes and, "oh, are you working yet?" (No, because you haven't shown me anything even halfway decent.)
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Don Gately



Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: Recruiting in Korea Reply with quote

blackbear wrote:
Angelus wrote:
First of all...Hi. I'm new to the forums. I'm a teacher in Korea and am also working as a part time recruiter. The teaching part is going well, but the recruiting part is really frustrating. Before getting involved in the recruiting business, I had no idea how messed up this business is.

On the one hand, the different academies tend to discriminate on all levels: race, age, sex, and even appearance. One academy owner said he only wanted an "attractive" white woman teacher. I sent 2 white female teachers for an interview and he said they weren't beautiful or feminine enough. Another owner didn't want to hire somebody because the teacher was too old. The list goes on and on. I guess they do have the right to have preferences, but in my opinion, it's blatant discrimination.

On the other hand, many teachers are a big problem. Some agree to show up for an interview but don't, without any notice. Some call and say they already found a different position. I guess some ppl just grab the first job offer that comes their way. In my opinion, it would make sense to go to all the interviews and choose the best option. Some teachers go so far as to sign a contract and then say they changed their minds at the last minute. These ppl are the worst because they are so selfish and lack any semblance of professionalism. They don't even consider how that might affect the students or the school.

Anyway, I'm thinking about getting out of this business. It's so hard to find quality teachers and owners. Sorry, I just had to vent.





YOU WHERE A DECEPTIVE RECRUITER YOURSELF! IF YOU KNEW THAT THESE HAGWONS WHERE DISCRIMINATING, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE QUIT THE RECRUITER BUSINESS ASAP!!!!! RECRUITERS THAT HAVE ACTED LIKE YOU ARE SCUM.....


How many black or Latino teachers you got at your school, oh high and mighty defender of all things ethical? And I'm sure you'll be resigning tomorrow in outrage, right?

We're all supporting an institution with deeply ingrained cultural biases, and the name of that institution is the ROK. Make your peace with it or get the *beep* out but don't go after some poor girl just coming on here to do what we all do which is fucking gripe about work.
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Don Gately



Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: ONE QUESTION FOR YOU Reply with quote

blackbear wrote:
I WONDER IF THIS RECRUITER IS A SPY FOR THE SADDAM LIBERATION MOVEMENT? COULD POSSIBLY BE!


I wonder if you braced yourself against something could you maybe get your head any further up your poop chute.
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackbearthat apology took balls, good on you and as for the OP, you choose what you wish to do. It is easier to implement change from within than from without. Every one of your successes translates to a very minor success for ESL teaching in this land. Smile
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