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Bulsajo
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I like the (apparently) widespread rumour about the Israeli flag in the Arab world, that the two blue lines on it represent the Nile and the Euphrates, the natural borders of the Greater Israel which is the secret lebensraum objective of every Jew... (paging Rapier and IGTG!)
I bet that new flag didn't help much- "Hey they're going to push us into the space between the Tigris and the Euphrates?!? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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What was missing though was the kind of common sense where a person would take a look at the flag and say "uh, that looks like Israel. They're not going to like that."
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Yeah, kinda like when they came up with that now-discarded logo for the Information Awareness Office:
When I first saw that, it was like, "Hello? Are you people TRYING to give credibility to the paranoid conspiracy theorists?"
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: |
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This shows the whole folly of the 'spreading democracy' project, and the lie that Islam is not incompatible with notions of freedom and human rights. Such incidents do have a silver lining though. They help awaken people to the intolerance and totalitarianism that is Islam.
Why is the US spending men and money to set up backward Shariah states? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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What was missing though was the kind of common sense where a person would take a look at the flag and say "uh, that looks like Israel. They're not going to like that."
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Yeah, kinda like when they came up with that now-discarded logo for the Information Awareness Office:
When I first saw that, it was like,
"Hello? Are you people TRYING ( to ) give credibility to the paranoid conspiracy theorists?" |
Why kid yourself?
It's pretty clear there are elements who get a kick out of this IN YOUR FACE kinda stuff  |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| Well, looks like this thread has now reached its dumbest common denominator. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Well, looks like this thread has now reached its dumbest common denominator. |
Well, Patchy hasn't come on and suggested the whole thread is "racist" towards kyopos yet. That will be the DCD, in my opinion. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Well, looks like this thread has now reached its dumbest common denominator. |
And look who said it!  |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
the natural borders of the Greater Israel which is the secret lebensraum objective of every Jew... (paging Rapier and IGTG!)
I bet that new flag didn't help much- "Hey they're going to push us into the space between the Tigris and the Euphrates?!? |
Its paranoid projection. Muslims are the only ones with expansionist goals. Israel was and is strong enough to have overrun the middle east and subjugated its neighbours.
But it hasn't..because its not a cancer seeking to infiltrate then dominate.
The strict borders of israel were decreed (by God, no less)- millenia ago.
"The Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates" (Genesis 15:1 .
The Israelites were the prescribed owners long before they arrived. But God's foreign policy, set down for his people to follow, is distinctly different to that of the rest of the world- the ravaging, temporary empires of Rome, assyria, etc etc.. It is not to be a malignant imperial nation, and Israelis know this. In history..the Israelites were invincible at various times..yet God's clear instructions have always been for Israel to remain within its borders. God set out to protect the borders and rights of their neighbours.
"Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession" (Deuteronomy 2:5 )
"The Lord said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession" (Deuteronomy 2:9 )
"Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance" (Deuteronomy 19:14).
Its an interesting topic. If you study the bible and its history.you will see the future of Israel set in stone, charted and fulfilled: prophesied long before it happened.
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/leviticus_26_3.htm
The exact territory of tribes within Israel was clearly outlined, too.
http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Ezekiel+48&book_id=9&version1=51
Thus..Israel has never been, and never will be expansionist. (Unlike Islam- the agenda of which is to not only destroy Israel, but seep into and overrun the rest of the world too).
The problem is: is it right to give away territory for Peace?
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_sijs/bl_42_landforpeace.htm
I don't believe so.
Excuse my diversion there. You touched on an interesting subject.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Bulsajo wrote:
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| Well, looks like this thread has now reached its dumbest common denominator. |
You might have spoken too soon...
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| The Israelites were the prescribed owners long before they arrived. But God's foreign policy, set down for his people to follow, is distinctly different to that of the rest of the world- the ravaging, temporary empires of Rome, assyria, etc etc.. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Afghan Court Drops Case Against Christian
An Afghan court on Sunday dismissed a case against a man who converted from Islam to Christianity because of "a lack of evidence".
Lack of evidence??? The guy converted 16 years ago, and has been an aid worker helping refugees for a christian charity ever since.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060326/ap_on_re_mi_ea/afghan_christian_convert
"I am serene. I have full awareness of what I have chosen. If I must die, I will die," Abdul Rahman told the Rome daily, responding to questions sent to him via a human rights worker who visited him in prison.
"Somebody, a long time ago, did it for all of us," he added in a clear reference to Jesus. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
This shows the whole folly of the 'spreading democracy' project, and the lie that Islam is not incompatible with notions of freedom and human rights. Such incidents do have a silver lining though. They help awaken people to the intolerance and totalitarianism that is Islam.
Why is the US spending men and money to set up backward Shariah states? |
Of course spreading democracy by the barrel of a gun is an exercise in futility. However, as with most of your assumptions, there are exceptions to the rule that throws up some interesting questions. For example, if Islam is incompatible with western modernity, how do you explain democracies in Indonesia, Turkey, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Senegal? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Before we get onto your quite frankly absurd example of Islamic modernity, what exactly is your position, as a Muslim, on those Muslims who convert to other faiths? Do you agree with the four schools of Sunni Islam, that such 'apostates' should be killed? |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
| Before we get onto your quite frankly absurd example of Islamic modernity, what exactly is your position, as a Muslim, on those Muslims who convert to other faiths? Do you agree with the four schools of Sunni Islam, that such 'apostates' should be killed? |
Ignore the examples as you will, you generally do when they fail to fit your meta-theory. I stand with the Koranic verse that states there is no compulsion in religion. Are any of the cases I cited so absurd that one could not call them democracies? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| I stand with the Koranic verse that states there is no compulsion in religion. |
I think you'd better share it then, with the hordes of senior muslim clerics and students demanding our lone Christians death.
"hundreds of clerics, students and others chanting "Death to Christians!" marched through the northern Afghan city of Mazar-e-Sharif to protest the court decision Sunday to dismiss the case. Several Muslim clerics threatened to incite Afghans to kill Rahman if he is freed, saying that he is clearly guilty of apostasy and deserves to die.
"Abdul Rahman must be killed. Islam demands it," said senior Cleric Faiez"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_on_re_as/afghan_christian_convert
How cowardly. he presented himself to be killed. He did not fight his sentence. They release him on spurious grrounds saying "There is no evidence", in the knowledge that he would be killed by muslims anyway.
Are you trying to assert that Islam is a tolerant religion, jaganath? Even in the "democratic" countries you cite, Christians have suffered terrible oppression. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
| Before we get onto your quite frankly absurd example of Islamic modernity, what exactly is your position, as a Muslim, on those Muslims who convert to other faiths? Do you agree with the four schools of Sunni Islam, that such 'apostates' should be killed? |
Ignore the examples as you will, you generally do when they fail to fit your meta-theory. I stand with the Koranic verse that states there is no compulsion in religion. Are any of the cases I cited so absurd that one could not call them democracies? |
In fact, yes. It is absolutely madness, or naivety beyond explanation to describe Bangladesh, Senegal and Malaysia as democracies. My god, do you actually even know ANYTHING about those nations? Admittedly, in some round about manner, they MAY be able to choose from tweedle-dee and tweedel-dum as leaders, but that isn't democracy. Democracy isn't choosing the dumbass who oppresses you. Did you sleep in Politics 101? Bangladesh? Are you crazy? Read The Economist this week to see how their democracy is holding up.
Malaysia is nice and friendly for the white tourists that burn by it, but what if you are a woman born Muslim who wants to convert to, oh, say, Christianity. Democracy is a system of rights, power sharing and accountable government. Go read about Malaysia now, please.
Now, as for Indonesia and Turkey, they may elements of liberal society (but, in the case of Turkey, only in the Europeanish cities) but they are both taking giant leaps backwards. I lived in Turkey and death threats from the Religion of Peace forced me to leave. Indonesia to this day is one of the most human-rights-abusing piece of sh$t throwbacks on this pathetic planet. What the hell are you on?
Dude, if you actually sat down and read the Koran, rather than looking at Steetmeatasia.com, you would seriously reconsider your statement that there is no compulsion to Islam. There is no compulsion to Islam in the same way that there was no compulsion for black to be slaves. If you are not a Muslim, according to Islamic law and tradition, you have to pay an extra tax (a way of encouraging conversions) and your children are to be taken from you at age 8 and send to Islamic schools for conversion.
My god. What planet are you on? |
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