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Bulsajo
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Big_Bird
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This thread has been thoroughly entertaining. Just one small point though...I never had the opportunity to attend a sociology or social studies class. They are not offered as part of a mathematics degree (though perhaps they should be).
And how can you be sure that the 'fat feet' in the avatar are the fat feet of Big_Bird? Explain that one if you're not so dim as you'd have us all believe!
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: This is why some call them Feminazis |
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http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/946
Sharon Dijksma, a leading parliamentarian of the Dutch Labour Party (PvdA) wants to penalise educated stay-at-home women. ��A highly-educated woman who chooses to stay at home and not to work – that is destruction of capital,�� she said in an interview last week. ��If you receive the benefit of an expensive education at society��s expense, you should not be allowed to throw away that knowledge unpunished.��
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On it's face value, there are some points in Dijksma's argument that are debatable. She seems to suggest that education of women in an of itself is of no value, unless those females join the workforce. However, there is a strong correlation in the developing world between education of women and lower infant mortality, better child health, fewer unwanted children being born, and better maternal health. All of these intangible benefits translate directly into billions of dollars in reduced healthcare costs for society as a whole.
On this point alone, her suggestion can be argued as being debatable. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| My Dutch is terrible, even on the best of days I'd have trouble telling an eingang from an ausfart, but everyone saw Canuckistan's post which verifies that the article this thread complete nonsense? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| It is all in good fun, no? |
You're still here annoying us with your nonsense? I thought you left? |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: Re: This is why some call them Feminazis |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/946
Sharon Dijksma, a leading parliamentarian of the Dutch Labour Party (PvdA) wants to penalise educated stay-at-home women. ��A highly-educated woman who chooses to stay at home and not to work – that is destruction of capital,�� she said in an interview last week. ��If you receive the benefit of an expensive education at society��s expense, you should not be allowed to throw away that knowledge unpunished.��
The intellectuals strike again!! |
Ho hum. If a nutty bloke spouts some nutty nonsense we say "what a bloody nutter." If a nutty bird spouts some nutty nonsense we hear "bloody feminists gone mad!" Just that mentallity in itself indicates that the work of feminists still has a long way to go. |
Really? People just said, "What a bloody nutter," about former Harvard president Larry Summers when he suggested that perhaps the reason there were many more males in post-graduate science classes than females could be innate differences between the two sexes? I seem to recall a different reaction. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: ... |
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| Really? People just said, "What a bloody nutter," about former Harvard president Larry Summers when he suggested that perhaps the reason there were many more males in post-graduate science classes than females could be innate differences between the two sexes? I seem to recall a different reaction. |
OK, so here comes the new tack: "What a bloody nutter" is not a sufficient response.
Before we go there, flak, what do you think about someone portraying a woman calling for women to be punished a case of "feminists gone wild"?
In other words, before you try to change the topic, I believe your response to the OP is insufficient.
Do comment. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| She's making a blatantly chauvanist statement and you're blaming feminists? You're blaming the PC movement for a woman calling for punishment of women? |
You assume though that modern day feminism is all about equality, while to many self-styled 'feminists' it is about the destruction of 'patriarchy' and any vestiges of socially constructed 'genders'. Thus, women who stay at home have betrayed the feminist movement, from this woman's point of view. Feminists are to sexism, what 'anti-racists' are to racism. The policies both groups propose are often both sexist and racist respectively. Both movements stopped being about equal rights along time ago. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| So, in the battle against feminism, you'd be on the Muslims' side? |
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bigverne
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| I am against both extreme feminism and Islam. What is ironic is that some feminists in their obsession with victimhood and hatred of all things Western, have aligned themselves with the most reactionary ideology on the face of the earth, thus betraying the cause of women's fundamental rights. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: ... |
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So, is she a nutter or not?
Are her actions "feminist"? |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Before that gets answered, maybe somebody should ask Canuckistan for a translation- it might clear up a lot. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: |
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So, is she a nutter or not?
Are her actions "feminist"? |
Yes, her actions are 'feminist' in that they are based on a feminist (not egalitarian) perspective of the world. She is not a nutter. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: ... |
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Interested in what Canuckistan can offer, Bul.
But you are defining feminism as non-egalitarian?
Is that right? |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| But you are defining feminism as non-egalitarian? |
It may have been about equal rights at the beginning but it stopped being about that a long time ago. |
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