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patchy
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| Not only did he use banmal, but he was far too direct by telling me to shut up. At this point it's very clear that you don't know very much about Korean speach forms. Koreans who are raised properly would never address a stranger in that way. |
Well, I must be meeting many improperly brought up Koreans then.
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| Interesting...so standing up for yourself is not allowed? You should put up with abusive language for the sake of world peace? |
It's called taking the high road, especially if you already know the other person is 'a bum who was probably raised in a shed in Mokpo'.
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Korean is a rigid language, and politeness between stangers is something that should be maintained irrespective of age difference (bewteen adults) and social position. Direct forms of speach to people with whom one is unfamilar is quite simply rude.
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There are no polite modes of speech in the west unlike Korea. People do not get told to shut up rudely in the west unlike Korea. People do not get into verbal or physical brawls over stupidity in the west unlike Korea.
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patchy
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| It comes as no surprise that the only one who would defend this caveman is an embittered gyopo who can't forget the time a fellow white middle school student called her names on the back of a bus in 7th grade. |
Oh gawd, how perceptive. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
And if I was, I didn't need a middle-aged lady to rescue me.
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| I wasn't aware that phone calls conducted quietly were rude. |
Well, that's the thing, a westerner does not realize he's being loud, but 99% of the time he is being louder than other people in the carriage when he's talking at normal volume (and sometimes you don't realize you are talking loudly on the mobile phone when the reception is bad). |
As a profession musician and sound recording engineer, I have 15 years of listening to sounds in extreme detail, and I have also lived in Korea for 5 years. I can tell you that your statement is catagorically incorrect. Koreans speaking on the phone in public generally speak, on average, 3 or 4 decibels louder than westerners. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| I wasn't aware that phone calls conducted quietly were rude. |
Well, that's the thing, a westerner does not realize he's being loud, but 99% of the time he is being louder than other people in the carriage when he's talking at normal volume (and sometimes you don't realize you are talking loudly on the mobile phone when the reception is bad). |
As a profession musician and sound recording engineer, I have 15 years of listening to sounds ....... |
I think you've burst your eardrums, satori. Westerners are louder than Koreans whether they're talking to people or talking on the phone, on public transport, .......
How do you think the "Loud American" got their name? |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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[...]Westerners are louder than Koreans whether they're talking to people or talking on the phone, on public transport, .......
How do you think the "Loud American" got their name? |
This might be true in the case "a big nose" is trying to get the message through (in English) to a person who isn't a so called native speaker. But I'm often surprised how loud Koreans can be. Sometimes I wonder why they bother with cell phoes at all??? With THAT volume Mr. Kim in Busan would certainly hear Mr. Park in Seoul without a phone!
Anyway, since we weren't there we really can't say if someone was loud or nor. Let's move to some more interesting topics now, okay? |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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[...]Westerners are louder than Koreans whether they're talking to people or talking on the phone, on public transport, .......
How do you think the "Loud American" got their name? |
This might be true in the case "a big nose" is trying to get the message through (in English) to a person who isn't a so called native speaker... |
Smooth ... |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| I wasn't aware that phone calls conducted quietly were rude. |
Well, that's the thing, a westerner does not realize he's being loud, but 99% of the time he is being louder than other people in the carriage when he's talking at normal volume (and sometimes you don't realize you are talking loudly on the mobile phone when the reception is bad). |
As a profession musician and sound recording engineer, I have 15 years of listening to sounds ....... |
I think you've burst your eardrums, satori. Westerners are louder than Koreans whether they're talking to people or talking on the phone, on public transport, .......
How do you think the "Loud American" got their name? |
I had an interesting experiencing riding in a subway car in Sydney with a Korean.
The entire car, while full, was quiet, when the loud sounds of a voice talking on a cell phone were heard.
My companion was embarassed because, of course, despite the quiet of the car, the woman on the phone was speaking quite loudly in Korean.
Have you even been to the U.S., "patchy"? I commuted daily on the subway in San Francisco for several years and no matter how crowded it was, the passengers were quiet and when they spoke, did so in low voices (unless there was a contingent of inner-city school students aboard, of course).
I think you suffer from the typical foreigner's shallow understanding of the unwritten codes of Western culture. To illustrate this point, I will quote from the Australian Allan Pease, who is famous for divining the secrets of body language:
"Crowding at concerts, movies, in elevators, trains or buses results in unavoidable intrustion into other people's intimate zones, and reactions to this invasion are interesting to observe. There is a list of unwritten rules that people in Western cultures follow rigidly when faced with a crowded situation such as a packed elevator or bus. These rules include:
1. You are not permitted to speak to anyone, including a person you know.
2. You must avoid eye contact with others at all times.
3. You are to maintain a 'poker face' -- no emotion is permitted to be displayed.
4. If you have a book or newspaper, you must appear to be deeply engrossed in it.
5. The bigger the crowd, the less the body movement you are permitted to make.
6. In elevators, you are compelled to watch the floor numbers above your head."
Allan Pease, Body Language (1981), p.28
I can practically see heads nodding. Anyone who grew up in the U.S. in a non-immigrant household will behave that way instinctively -- it is not something we were taught.
Now look at those rules again. Do any of them apply in Korea? No, of course not. Korea is a different culture, with its own different rules, neither right nor wrong, merely different. |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Koreans speak loudy becuase they feel the earth centers around them!
they couldnt give a hoot about anyone else but themselves!
excuse me but their is line!! HUH ? IM korean!!
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| [quote="patchy"]Well, I must be meeting many improperly brought up Koreans then. |
Do you mix with the crowd at NB by any chance?
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| It's called taking the high road, especially if you already know the other person is 'a bum who was probably raised in a shed in Mokpo'. |
He spoke with a very strong Joella accent. My remarks were probably a lot closer to the truth than you think.
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| There are no polite modes of speech in the west unlike Korea. People do not get told to shut up rudely in the west unlike Korea. People do not get into verbal or physical brawls over stupidity in the west unlike Korea. |
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patchy
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:43 am Post subject: |
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[...]Westerners are louder than Koreans whether they're talking to people or talking on the phone, on public transport, .......
How do you think the "Loud American" got their name? |
This might be true in the case "a big nose" is trying to get the message through (in English) to a person who isn't a so called native speaker... |
Smooth ... |
.. however, I wasn't talking about people shouting, I was talking about people talking at their normal volume. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Not only did he use banmal, but he was far too direct by telling me to shut up. At this point it's very clear that you don't know very much about Korean speach forms. Koreans who are raised properly would never address a stranger in that way. |
Well, I must be meeting many improperly brought up Koreans then.
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| Interesting...so standing up for yourself is not allowed? You should put up with abusive language for the sake of world peace? |
It's called taking the high road, especially if you already know the other person is 'a bum who was probably raised in a shed in Mokpo'.
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Korean is a rigid language, and politeness between stangers is something that should be maintained irrespective of age difference (bewteen adults) and social position. Direct forms of speach to people with whom one is unfamilar is quite simply rude.
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There are no polite modes of speech in the west unlike Korea. People do not get told to shut up rudely in the west unlike Korea. People do not get into verbal or physical brawls over stupidity in the west unlike Korea. |
Good lord. You sure have a hate-on for caucasians, don't you? I can't read your posts anymore. They are just too hate-filled. I don't know why you bother to come on this board. Every post you write is negative and belligerent.
Note to self: add to very short list of "Nasty Posters to Ignore". There. I've washed my hands clean of you and your attitude. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Note to self: add to very short list of "Nasty Posters to Ignore". There. I've washed my hands clean of you and your attitude. |
Absolutely. A nasty piece of work. |
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patchy
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| Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Not only did he use banmal, but he was far too direct by telling me to shut up. At this point it's very clear that you don't know very much about Korean speach forms. Koreans who are raised properly would never address a stranger in that way. |
Well, I must be meeting many improperly brought up Koreans then.
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| Interesting...so standing up for yourself is not allowed? You should put up with abusive language for the sake of world peace? |
It's called taking the high road, especially if you already know the other person is 'a bum who was probably raised in a shed in Mokpo'.
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Korean is a rigid language, and politeness between stangers is something that should be maintained irrespective of age difference (bewteen adults) and social position. Direct forms of speach to people with whom one is unfamilar is quite simply rude.
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There are no polite modes of speech in the west unlike Korea. People do not get told to shut up rudely in the west unlike Korea. People do not get into verbal or physical brawls over stupidity in the west unlike Korea. |
Good lord. You sure have a hate-on for caucasians, don't you? |
Why would you say that about me? Because I've said that in my opinion Americans are loud? Americans aren't all Caucasian you know, they're also Asian, black etc etc. I myself was told to be quiet by Koreans. It has nothing to do with color. And even if 100% of Americans were white, it would still have nothing to do with color: it is about people from one culture speaking relatively loudly compared to people from other cultures ("The Loud American").
Your insinuation that you are only American (or western) if you are white is the only offensive thing here. But we all already know how you think:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=51497&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=shoes+airport&start=30
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| Btw- the security mama I dealt with was foreign, which was another thing that rubbed me the wrong way ........ |
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| Yes, I'm a native American. Born and bred (don't play that card with me- that's just lame). My family has been in the states, oh, about 400 some years. Daughter of the American Revolution. Didn't know you had to be an American citizen to work for the TSA. ...... |
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Satori
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| Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| I wasn't aware that phone calls conducted quietly were rude. |
Well, that's the thing, a westerner does not realize he's being loud, but 99% of the time he is being louder than other people in the carriage when he's talking at normal volume (and sometimes you don't realize you are talking loudly on the mobile phone when the reception is bad). |
As a profession musician and sound recording engineer, I have 15 years of listening to sounds ....... |
I think you've burst your eardrums, satori. Westerners are louder than Koreans whether they're talking to people or talking on the phone, on public transport, .......
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From a sound professional to a non sound professional, I can tell you conclusively that you are wrong, in the world of reality that is, I can't vouch for the relative decibel levels of Koreans and westerners in your other "special world". |
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caniff
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| Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: |
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We want Patchy!! We want Patchy!!  |
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