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Should the US invade Iran?
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Should the US invade Iran.
Yes. Because they have on WMD.
42%
 42%  [ 3 ]
Yes. Because they are a repressive muslim society.
14%
 14%  [ 1 ]
Yes. Because they support terrorists and helped blow up the WTC.
14%
 14%  [ 1 ]
Yes. Because they will set us up the bomb!
28%
 28%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 7

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jinglejangle



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Should the US invade Iran? Reply with quote

Your local republican freelance chapter thanks you for your input; and would like to remind you to remember the Alamo and blame Iranada.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny poll.

How about "yes, and before they go nuclear, because we were supposed to have learned from Hitler and Munich that it's better to nip these problems in the bud than it is to deal with them later, when we are at a disadvantage."

It seems clear enough that Iran will not be deterred from the path that it has chosen.
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Mr. Joe



Joined: 26 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Newbie Speaks for the first time... Reply with quote

Hi! I work in Yongsan and am reading this forum for the first time.

It was Winston Churchill who said (Paraphrased) that if we don't act now, there may come a time when we will be in a disadvantaged position and will have to act, with less of a chance of winning.

Iran is larger than Iraq. The US is in a problematic situation in Iran. I believe that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. It was a good idea to eliminate those weapons, and the man who could use them. I
also believe it was not a good idea to try to attempt to impose "Democracy" on a Moslem nation that will not assimilate democracy.

Eliminating Iran's ability to produce nuclear weapons may be something that needs to be done. Screwing around with their politics and religion may not. The US is big, but not big enough to force democracy on two
Moslem countries at once.

The "Poll" is a bit one-sided-wouldn't you say?
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numazawa



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Newbie Speaks for the first time... Reply with quote

Mr. Joe wrote:

The "Poll" is a bit one-sided-wouldn't you say?


Just a tad. Somewhat similar to "What are the very best reasons to dislike America?"

I voted, "Yes. Because then we would have one more reason to scrap this lame poll, on the grounds of having been made irrelevant by subsequent events."
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desultude



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Newbie Speaks for the first time... Reply with quote

numazawa wrote:
Mr. Joe wrote:

The "Poll" is a bit one-sided-wouldn't you say?


Just a tad. Somewhat similar to "What are the very best reasons to dislike America?"

I voted, "Yes. Because then we would have one more reason to scrap this lame poll, on the grounds of having been made irrelevant by subsequent events."


It's already irrelevant. It will depend on the election in November. If the Republicans maintain a majority in both houses, you American boys had better check your draft numbers. Cool
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Funny poll.

How about "yes, and before they go nuclear, because we were supposed to have learned from Hitler and Munich that it's better to nip these problems in the bud than it is to deal with them later, when we are at a disadvantage."

It seems clear enough that Iran will not be deterred from the path that it has chosen.


Exactly.

Mr. Joe wrote:
Eliminating Iran's ability to produce nuclear weapons may be something that needs to be done. Screwing around with their politics and religion may not. The US is big, but not big enough to force democracy on two Moslem countries at once.


Also true.
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JAWINSEOUL



Joined: 19 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Not the U.S. .....The world Reply with quote

The way this question is phrased adds to the perception that America operates alone in these matters. Here is the position of several countries regarding U.N. enforced sanctions. Since Iran has stated their nuclear program is unavoidable, these countries will most likely vote for an invasion. NOT JUST THE U.S.A.
Key nations' stances on Iran

This is how countries voted in September 2005, when the IAEA agreed that Iran was in violation of the NPT and that it was a matter within the competence of the Security Council.
Voting for: Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Ecuador, France, Germany, Ghana, Hungary, India, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Netherlands, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Singapore, Slovenia, Sweden, UK, US.
Against: Venezuela.
Abstaining: Algeria, Brazil, China, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Tunisia, and Vietnam.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seymour Hersh is weighing in on this topic in the most recent New Yorker.


Quote:
One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that ��a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.��


Well, I could see there being a few problems with that theory.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact


Thanks so much for taking me to the New Yorker online.

I may never return. Cool
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I may never return.


Sorry to hear that. Sad Wink
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Quote:
��a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.��


Well, I could see there being a few problems with that theory.

Great joke, but sad if it were actually true that some in the admin are still buying into that.

Quote:
He added, ��I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, ��What are they smoking?�� ��

Sad
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, a lot to digest in that New Yorker article.
2 things that leaped out at me were the 'white coup' and the fact that Khan is now talking (and a little too much, apparently).
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red headed stranger



Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
On the other hand wrote:
Quote:
��a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.��


Well, I could see there being a few problems with that theory.

Great joke, but sad if it were actually true that some in the admin are still buying into that.



It is sad. However, these were the same people that thought that the US would receive a heroes welcome after ousting Saddam. Rolling Eyes
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that ��a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.�� He added, ��I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, ��What are they smoking?�� ��


I used to be certain that a brilliant but nutso megalomaniac was far worse than an utterly stupid one. I am no longer sure of this.
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