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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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 Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| coolsage wrote: |
| I say go for it. In the long run it might land you a video gig. Perhaps you could replace that badly-dressed and misinformed white bozo on EBS. The one who makes all of us look like idiots. 'Today, we're going to talk about adverbs of FREQUENCY!' Take his job, please. (He might be a poster here, but I don't think he knows where I live.) |
I appreciate your humor. But, I think I am staying in the education field.
Thanks. |
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frozenpeas
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Ok, Ok, we get it!
You like money and you shout down anyone who tries to tell you anything other than what you want to hear. We understand! Everyone likes money. Go tell your boss and see if wants to share some of his with you. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| semphoon wrote: |
Does your hagwon provide you with food?
Mine does. I always think about this - in the west you bring your sandwiches for lunch or you go out and buy something. The idea of a company buying your lunch for you is very strange in the west. Here, it's assumed they will. |
Depends on the job. At my last job in the states my boss(es) would almost always either buy my lunch (if we went together) or give me money for lunch. And if we went out for drinks he would pay. If we went to a ballgame, he would pay. Then again, he made about 20 times as much as I did. |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| frozenpeas wrote: |
Ok, Ok, we get it!
You like money and you shout down anyone who tries to tell you anything other than what you want to hear. We understand! Everyone likes money. Go tell your boss and see if wants to share some of his with you. |
Yes, I like money. That's a sin on this board? OK, whatever.
Who shut down who? I gave everyone their space to express themselves (i.e. and e.g. I was not particularly aggressive with anyone, and did not act dismissive of anyone unless they were blatantly ignoring my main points). When others tried to misrepresent what I was saying, I didn't lie down for the abuse. Is that what you find objectionable? Well then, my sincerest apologies are offered for having offended thee!
cheers, |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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basically...you are not modelling....they are taking staff pictures... 
Feel better about not making the big won now? |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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basically...you are not modelling....they are taking staff pictures...
Feel better about not making the big won now? |
Right. For modeling, you're basically a mannequin selling a product, be it clothes, a new cell phone, or a car. For staff pictures, YOU are the product.
Forget what I said before- Whatever the fee for modeling is, double it for your oh-so-handsome foreign face. |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
basically...you are not modelling....they are taking staff pictures...
Feel better about not making the big won now? |
Yes, I feel a little better with the change in terminology. However, that is only when I take group pictures on regular working hours. When I take individual pictures off regular working hours, it feels A LOT more like modeling. 15 minutes a month is no biggy. I'll eat those lost 'big bucks.'
More than that, and I have to start wondering about the fairness of things, considering I entered the country on a Conversational Teacher visa, not a Sales visa, not a Modeling visa- furthermore, taking pictures at the whim of the director was not in my contract. My contract spoke of teaching, and the associated duties/ tasks of teaching.
Of course, you all have pointed out the obvious, and I agree to a large extent (sorry if my previous posts have made it sound like I felt otherwise): it's no big deal, just do it, and don't complain. OK. I can understand that. If I don't get paid for my time, then I suppose I will feel obliged to ask for a more comfortable living space, or other small perks. For example: I feel bad when I have to ask my director to fix whatever might be broken in my villa. Now I have a great excuse NOT to feel bad about such simple requests on my end: I've put in the little extra for you, now it's your turn to return the small favor, or back scratching. |
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forgesteel
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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basically...you are not modelling....they are taking staff pictures...
Feel better about not making the big won now? |
Right. For modeling, you're basically a mannequin selling a product, be it clothes, a new cell phone, or a car. For staff pictures, YOU are the product.
Forget what I said before- Whatever the fee for modeling is, double it for your oh-so-handsome foreign face. |
Are you confusing products (things) with a person who offers services? |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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No, I don't think I'm confusing things.
When it comes to staff photos, the services offered (ie- the quality of English teaching available from said staff) mean diddely squat.
I've worked at hagwons that had 5 foreign faces on their brouchure. All but 2 of those people weren't even in the country anymore. The names didn't match up. Teachers were said to have graduated from California University (there is no such school!!). A 40 year old man with extensive teaching experience had another youngster's face juxtaposed with his name.
Do you think a dark haired Kyopo with a Masters in ESL education and native English skills gets his face on brouchures as often? No.
Young, blonde, and white. That's what hagwons want on their ads. This is not new information.
I'm all for quality education. Don't get me wrong. But on hagwon ads, YOU are the product. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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If I don't get paid for my time, then I suppose I will feel obliged to ask for a more comfortable living space, or other small perks. For example: I feel bad when I have to ask my director to fix whatever might be broken in my villa. Now I have a great excuse NOT to feel bad about such simple requests on my end: I've put in the little extra for you, now it's your turn to return the small favor, or back scratching.
Best of luck with that....
However, your school fixing things that break in your appartment (when it is not through your negligence) is not a perk, it is a normal service..... |
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Xerxes
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Down a certain (rabbit) hole, apparently
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:00 am Post subject: |
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This thread is basically a meathead topic, but, MAN!!! does it have staying power! And then I wondered why, and I found the perfect quote (in its entirety, in fact) to characterize that thought (and from Paul Newman, no less):
| The Color of Money wrote: |
Eddie Felson: You're also a natural character.
Vincent Lauria: [to Carmen] You see? I been tellin' her that. I got natural character.
Eddie Felson: That's not what I said, kid. I said you *are* a natural character; you're an incredible flake.
[Vincent's smile fades; Eddie continues]
Eddie Felson: "But that's a gift. Some guys spend their whole lives looking for something like that. You walk into a poolroom with that go-go-go... guys'll be killin' each other to get to you. |
I think that if each of us were given a chance, we would all have agreed with the OP, but, MAN ALIVE, did that OP irk a lot of posters the wrong way and the irking never stopped.
(Just don't post for a few days and we'll promise to admit that you are right: hakwon owners can shove their collective 'digca' up their yin-yang. Not for the money, but for the invasion of privacy, the seedy, passive-agressive conscripting of teachers to do what they don't want to do.)
That, ladies and EFLers, IS talent: ego with the alleged good looks (no one can tell, right?), counting the smiles , glad handling with the food, labor issues over overtime pay, it's got everything for a great epic, it has, except...a real purpose...that anybody will really admit to.
And this lasted six pages. I'm impressed.
Cheers, Vincent! Fast Eddie's impressed!
(Now snow me under with your words, but I won't bite: I respect your talent too much for that .) |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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No, I don't think I'm confusing things.
When it comes to staff photos, the services offered (ie- the quality of English teaching available from said staff) mean diddely squat.
I've worked at hagwons that had 5 foreign faces on their brouchure. All but 2 of those people weren't even in the country anymore. The names didn't match up. Teachers were said to have graduated from California University (there is no such school!!). A 40 year old man with extensive teaching experience had another youngster's face juxtaposed with his name.
Do you think a dark haired Kyopo with a Masters in ESL education and native English skills gets his face on brouchures as often? No.
Young, blonde, and white. That's what hagwons want on their ads. This is not new information.
I'm all for quality education. Don't get me wrong. But on hagwon ads, YOU are the product. |
I am talking about work I am entitled to do in this country under my conversational English teacher's visa. I am talking about that contract. I am not a product. Products are things. Therefore I am assuming you are using the term in the pejorative, ironic sense. You perceive irony. That's your right. I take my services seriously, and do not think I am providing homogenized service to the extent that I need to refer to myself as a product. When I feel used and abused by the system, I will refer to myself this way. You of course are free to refer to yourself this way if you wish.
"In marketing, a product is anything that can be offered to a market that might satisfy a want or need."
I am a person who offers services, not a thing that satisfies wants/ needs or represents benefits.
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forgesteel
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
If I don't get paid for my time, then I suppose I will feel obliged to ask for a more comfortable living space, or other small perks. For example: I feel bad when I have to ask my director to fix whatever might be broken in my villa. Now I have a great excuse NOT to feel bad about such simple requests on my end: I've put in the little extra for you, now it's your turn to return the small favor, or back scratching.
Best of luck with that....
However, your school fixing things that break in your appartment (when it is not through your negligence) is not a perk, it is a normal service..... |
Go ahead, quibble with a small point of nomenclature. I think you understood my point nonetheless. I have all the more leverage to guiltlessly ask for what's mine. |
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forgesteel
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Xerxes wrote: |
This thread is basically a meathead topic, but, MAN!!! does it have staying power!
I think that if each of us were given a chance, we would all have agreed with the OP, but, MAN ALIVE, did that OP irk a lot of posters the wrong way and the irking never stopped.
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'Given a chance?' You've got to be kidding. I was not preventing anyone from agreeing, either by physical means or otherwise.
| Xerxes wrote: |
| (Just don't post for a few days and we'll promise to admit that you are right: hakwon owners can shove their collective 'digca' up their yin-yang. Not for the money, but for the invasion of privacy, the seedy, passive-agressive conscripting of teachers to do what they don't want to do.) |
OK. I waited a few days. I am waiting for the flood of admissions.
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| That, ladies and EFLers, IS talent: ego with the alleged good looks (no one can tell, right?), counting the smiles , glad handling with the food, labor issues over overtime pay, it's got everything for a great epic, it has, except...a real purpose...that anybody will really admit to. |
It's got 'everything' except valuable information (except one post gave actual information).
'Alleged good looks?' Your reading comprehension is slim. I said I 'wasn't ugly.' That hardly amounts to the grand ego you are attempting to spin mine into. |
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forgesteel
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Xerxes wrote: |
That, ladies and EFLers, IS talent: ego with the alleged good looks
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Forgive me, at one point, I said:
>better-than-average looking mug
But, that is hardly counts as much of a boast (along the lines of 'alleged good looks') if you've seen some of these grizzled old timers, fat girls, etc.
Cheers, |
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