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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: Ann Coulter, is she right about this? |
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This is the only country on Earth that thinks it's not sporting to consider our own interests in choosing immigrants. Try showing up in any other country on the planet, illiterate and penniless, and announcing: "I've seen pictures of your country and it looks great. I think I'd like to live here! Oh, and by the way, would you mind changing all your government and business phone messages, street signs and ballots into my native language? Thanks!" They would laugh you out of the country.
What seems not to have occurred to the "NO HUMAN BEING IS ILLEGAL" crowd is that this is a country, not a public park.
Bank robbers and drug dealers ought to start claiming that the words "bank robber" and "drug dealer" are akin to the N-word. They could accuse lawmakers of "criminalizing felonies" and claim they don't understand what the word "jailbreak" means.
BROWN IS THE NEW BLACK
by Ann Coulter, Yahoo!News (April 12, 2006)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20060412/cm_ucac/brownisthenewblack |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Try showing up in any other country on the planet |
Well that's a typical silly Coulter comparison. The US and Canada aren't like any other countries on the planet.
That's what makes them great... even if it makes them victims of their own success. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Coulter is a nutjob so I don't read or listen to her anymore. I won't say what my opinion is on the subject because I haven't yet decided where I stand but is there not some truth in the idea that the US has helped keep Latin America poor through its military and economic policies so they aren't they just now reaping what they have sowed? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Coulter is a nutjob so I don't read or listen to her anymore. I won't say what my opinion is on the subject because I haven't yet decided where I stand but is there not some truth in the idea that the US has helped keep Latin America poor through its military and economic policies so they aren't they just now reaping what they have sowed? |
Collectivist, nut-job thinking at its finest. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: Re: Ann Coulter, is she right about this? |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| This is the only country on Earth that thinks it's not sporting to consider our own interests in choosing immigrants. Try showing up in any other country on the planet, illiterate and penniless, |
didn't we invite them?
The New Colossus, by Emma Lazarus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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| and announcing: "I've seen pictures of your country and it looks great. I think I'd like to live here! Oh, and by the way, would you mind changing all your government and business phone messages, street signs and ballots into my native language? Thanks!" They would laugh you out of the country. |
Given the number of non-native English speakers in the world versus the number of native-English speakers who speak other languages (and it's not just Americans), I think she has it backwards. No other language in the world is as catered to as English is.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| But I share her frustration on this issue. |
The system has been a scandal for decades. I honestly doubt anyone is more frustrated with it than the illegal aliens.
I disagree with your interpretation of 'immigrant'. Someone who lives 10 or 20 years somewhere is an immigrant, regardless of what the lawyers say when they start splitting hairs.
I can understand how it would be frustrating to end up having avowed racists as an 'ally' on any issue. It would be uncomfortable. But you can't deny that racist, right-wing fanatics have been hammering away at this particular issue for a very long time. It bothers me that such an important issue is finally being addressed at the urging of the right wing fanatics, rather than in a calmer moment, on its own merits. I see it as an unhappy indication of the growing influence of that segment of the population. Fortunately, they are not getting their way in Congress. At least not yet. [/quote] |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| This is the only country on Earth that thinks it's not sporting to consider our own interests in choosing immigrants. |
Right, Europe has no problems with immigration policy.
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| Try showing up in any other country on the planet, illiterate and penniless, and announcing: "I've seen pictures of your country and it looks great. I think I'd like to live here! Oh, and by the way, would you mind changing all your government and business phone messages, street signs and ballots into my native language? |
That might be worth considering if the US had an official language. It doesn't.
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| They would laugh you out of the country. |
Sales are more important to those in control than the point Coulter is trying to prove.
Rather than "laughing them out of the country", we, by and large, have bilingual services where they serve to gain more business.
This all assumes that "illegal" immigrants are the reason behind these ideas.
That's not quite the case. |
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capebretoncanadian
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| If it wasn't for all these 'immigrants'........'guest workers'....whatever...propping up the U.S. economy they'd/you'd be in a less peachy position than currently. Are any of you gonna go down to California and pick oranges for 2 or 3 bucks an hour....no....didn't think so. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| If it wasn't for all these 'immigrants'........'guest workers'....whatever...propping up the U.S. economy they'd/you'd be in a less peachy position than currently |
Do illegal migrants really 'prop up the economy' or do they allow people to buy very cheap agricultural products and have housekeepers. The US economy would not collapse if there was a clampdown on illegal migration, especially when you take into account how such immigrants contribute to crime and welfare dependency.
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| Are any of you gonna go down to California and pick oranges for 2 or 3 bucks an hour....no....didn't think so. |
And how are wages kept so low? Because of an inexaustable supply of illegal labour from Mexico. |
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capebretoncanadian
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
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| If it wasn't for all these 'immigrants'........'guest workers'....whatever...propping up the U.S. economy they'd/you'd be in a less peachy position than currently |
Do illegal migrants really 'prop up the economy' or do they allow people to buy very cheap agricultural products and have housekeepers. The US economy would not collapse if there was a clampdown on illegal migration, especially when you take into account how such immigrants contribute to crime and welfare dependency.
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| Are any of you gonna go down to California and pick oranges for 2 or 3 bucks an hour....no....didn't think so. |
And how are wages kept so low? Because of an inexaustable supply of illegal labour from Mexico. |
I catch your drift here Verne....but how can't having a huge supply of low paid exploitable workers....doing everything from picking produce to working in factories and Wal-Mart or what have you....have anything but a positive effect on the economy. Cheap labor = high profits don't it? High profits more or less translate into growth areas for the economy. Am I wrong? |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: ... |
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Exactly. Where I live, they pick cabbage.
I detassled corn. Most did. Some pulled chickens and washed their clothes with gasoline.
They picked cabbage. No bone against them. The cabbage fields smell.
The trucks would roll into my town's supermarket. I'd be sitting alone in my Mom's truck while she went shopping.
They'd get off the truck AND...
Say, "Hi". Most of them would.
They were friendlier than local people.
Who will pick the cabbage if the seasonal workers don't?
We have a problem. A problem fixed by ignoring law.
Law must reconcile reality.
Change is needed. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| capebretoncanadian wrote: |
| If it wasn't for all these 'immigrants'........'guest workers'....whatever...propping up the U.S. economy they'd/you'd be in a less peachy position than currently. Are any of you gonna go down to California and pick oranges for 2 or 3 bucks an hour....no....didn't think so. |
What, they don't teach basic economics in the Cape?
If 'they' where not there wages would be higher for the jobs that they are doing. The higher wages would increase costs, which would provide incentives to land owners to increase mechanization and industrialization in affected areas of the economy. In other areas, Yanks would have to do without. Instead of hiring Mexicans and others to cut the grass and such they would have to either do it themselves, or do what is done in my hometown, hire junior and high school students to do it.
Immigration is a very difficult issue for any nation. Generally, I think it is in the best interests of the USA to make it easy for the Mexicans to gain legal residence while at the same time cracking down on the border-jumpers. If you treat all low-skilled immigrants as criminals, it becomes very hard to sort out which are the real criminals -- the ones who generally want to do the country harm --.
Regarding the 11million illegals, geesh, I don't know what the hell they can do about them. If you grant them amnesty and make them legal you will instantly increases the wages that they are working for (as you now have to pay social security, obey minimum wage laws and the like) and unintentionally render many of them redundant. It is a pickle.
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bigverne
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| I catch your drift here Verne....but how can't having a huge supply of low paid exploitable workers....doing everything from picking produce to working in factories and Wal-Mart or what have you....have anything but a positive effect on the economy. |
Because such workers inevitably bring across their wives and children, who become a burden on the economy. The children of such immigrants take the same attitude to low paid work as the natives and are far more likely to be on welfare and a drain on the state.
Low paid, unskilled workers are good for big business, but have a negligible effect on the well-being of the economy.
This isn't even taking into account the social effects of creating an underclass and future ethnic conflicts. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I believe America needs immigration (its obvious). However, when 1 unskilled worker comes and has 5 kids to put through school at taxpayer expense, is this the suggested 'economic bonanza' that some suggest America reaps? Control is needed, although I think the U.S. is well-served by a relatively open immigration policy.
And I also agree that America can do more to help its neighbors in the western hemisphere (excluding Chavez, et al). |
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