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coffeeman

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: Korean Marriages. Happy? |
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I swear I think it's a felony in this country if you are female, 28 years old and not married or male 32 years old and not married. Almost everybody here takes the plunge. But are they happy? How important in love?
In the past year, I've seen 3 twenty-somethings (2 ladies and 1 guy) get married. None of them seemed to be too thrilled about it. They reported it to me without any joy as if it were right up there on the excitement meter with applying for a new passport. What's the deal? I sure hope if I go down that road that I am a little more excited about it than they are. Koreans are strange. Emotional about all the wrong things and totally blase when they should be thrilled.
I get the feeling that most of them do it to please their parents. What are your opinions about Korean couples? |
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SeoulFinn

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Location: 1h from Seoul
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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I'd say that more and more of the marriages between young people are based on love. And the same might go with those a bit older couples who are getting married for the 2nd time (ie. divorced people.)
In the past marriages were arranged unions between families. At that time love was not necessary for someone to get married. But it was widely believed that love would come to the picture later.
I think that there are many couples, young and old, who get married because it's something that is expected from them: finish your studies, get a job, get married and continue the family line. As far as I know, in Korean society you're not really considered as an adult if you're not married. This is the expression I got after spending over two years in the country. I might be wrong, though. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: |
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well I think Koreans are traditionalists. I mean what else are they going to do with their lives? move to ASIA and teach English?
Marriage is something most people from deep cultural backgrounds do..
remember the WEST doesnt really have a culture! well they use to have strong values! but slowly every year its heading into the toilet!
go to school , graduated university, get a job, get married! have children!
thats life!!
a few will venture off and do something else! but at the end of the day Id say about 90% of the world will get married at least once!!
koreans happy with marrage? some are.. others still hold on to fantasy!
but they slowly accept destiny!
and I think thats what makes them unhappy at times.. well all humans!
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| It is 'destany' that you will never learn to spell, but like most other things, I have come to accept these things. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry. Must not bust on Itaewonguy. Spelling is over-rated anyway. |
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bellum99

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Marrying for love sure hasn't improved anything. Families are broken and society has little structure. I think the western way of marriage has failed.
Maybe the old Korean way of marriage is best. Divorce should be illegal (except under serious conditions) and everyone should be matched with a spouse by their mothers. Then we have to outcast anyone who doesn't try to make their marriage work.
Sounds crazy but maybe it will work.... |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Marrying for love sure hasn't improved anything. Families are broken and society has little structure. I think the western way of marriage has failed.
Maybe the old Korean way of marriage is best. Divorce should be illegal (except under serious conditions) and everyone should be matched with a spouse by their mothers. Then we have to outcast anyone who doesn't try to make their marriage work.
Sounds crazy but maybe it will work.... |
You think cheating is bad now, just wait until that is implemented  |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I've been pretty disillusioned by what I've heard from my married Korean friends. The women always seem to be pissed off about something and the men wouldn't know romance if it painted itself blue, danced naked on a piano and sang "Romantic Days are Here Again."
Sample conversation with a co-worker:
Me: So, what are you doing for your wife for your anniversary?
Him: Nothing.
Me: Nothing? Not roses? When was the last time you got her flowers?
Him: Er... not since before we were married. Anyway, she takes my salary now.
Me: Well, you could take those man-won bills and fold them into flower shapes..? Huh? How about that?
Another student gave a speech last night about his wife of 30 years that brought me to tears. It was about how much he appreciated her. I shared this with a male co-worker who knows this old gentleman quite well. He said "Oh, that's not the story I get. They're practically divorced. He quietly has a thing for the young girls, you know."
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coffeeman

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
Korean way of marriage is best. Divorce should be illegal (except under serious conditions) and everyone should be matched with a spouse by their mothers. Then we have to outcast anyone who doesn't try to make their marriage work.
Sounds crazy but maybe it will work.... |
The traditional Korean way almost encouraged wife-beating. Okay, such a circumstance would allow a divorce, but like you also said, if the marriage didn't work, the wife would become an outcast. So many Korean women put up with physical and mental abuse because of this fear.
The Western way does work because if your marriage doesn't work out, it's not a crime in our countries to be single. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| ...remember the WEST doesnt really have a culture! well they use to have strong values! but slowly every year its heading into the toilet! |
People love saying that, and it may seem that way, but this is only because Western (mostly American) culture has been exported and become mainstream all over the world.
In other words: the only reason it seems like there is no American culture is because it's become so hegemonic.
My theory is that this is a reflection of its superiority (go ahead, flame me).
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| Maybe the old Korean way of marriage is best. Divorce should be illegal (except under serious conditions) and everyone should be matched with a spouse by their mothers. Then we have to outcast anyone who doesn't try to make their marriage work. |
[sarcasm] Oh, I know! And if they try to separate from each other anyway, we can round them up and put them in concentration camps! [/sarcasm] |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Divorce should be illegal (except under serious conditions) and everyone should be matched with a spouse by their mothers. |
Enter Henry VIII ..... with fresh ideas about alimony. |
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coffeeman

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Imagine if your parents could chose your friends too. "Oh, you can't hang out with that guy. You have to hang out with this guy."
Whether it's friendship or marriage, I think it's natural for people to be happier with other people with similar interests and values. You have to look for that person. Rarely is it the girl / boy next door.
The problem I see with the current Korean way is that they're obsessed with age. When a girl gets in her late 20's / guy early 30's, they look around and marry the first decent-looking person they see. I don't know, but maybe I am too choosy. We westerners have grown up with the idea of romance like our partner should sweep us off of our feet. Real romance often doesn't work that way. Often it's just a friendship that blooms into something more.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the 50% divorce rate pretty well answers the OP. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| What 50% divorce rate? |
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Unreal
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Location: Jeollabuk-do
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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It was pushing 50% in 2003:
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| ...according to a Ministry of Health and Welfare report the country now has one of the highest divorce rates in the world, with 47.4 percent of marriages ending in divorce. |
From:
Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2003
Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
February 25, 2004
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27776.htm
I was talking to a teacher at my school who has been divorced for 10 years. In that time she has never told another Korean about her divorce because of the stigma that comes with it. Divorce is widespread...it's just rarely talked about |
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