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adventureman



Joined: 18 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: "Forcing" Koreans to speak to you Korean Reply with quote

For those of you who are currently studying Korean, do you ever "force" koreans to communicate with you in their native language?..I am referring to those who want the chance to learn english by talking to a forigner or assume you almost no Korean ability (most of country)...If they only respond in English do you keep reponding with ����� over and over or do you ask them straight out to only speak to you in Korean?....How often do you do this?

Also, Do you only seek out freinds who have a lower of english than you do of Korean?
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: "Forcing" Koreans to speak to you Korean Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:
For those of you who are currently studying Korean, do you ever "force" koreans to communicate with you in their native language?..I am referring to those who want the chance to learn english by talking to a forigner or assume you almost no Korean ability (most of country)...If they only respond in English do you keep reponding with ����� over and over or do you ask them straight out to only speak to you in Korean?....How often do you do this?

Also, Do you only seek out freinds who have a lower of english than you do of Korean?


I was pretty stubborn about it when I first got here, and I think I was right. Who was the one that got on the plane and paid good money to cross the ocean (well, in my case a sea) to come over here? That's right, me, not you (you being the guy that wants to practice English).
It only works if you're already at the level where you can say what you need to though. It's also wise to make sure that the person you're talking to isn't a gyopo because if it is for all you know their Korean is worse than their English and you don't want to come across as an ass.
Sometimes if someone's drunk and won't listen to reason you'll just have to move. About a year and a bit ago one guy insisted on cutting in on my conversation with a girl at a bar to tell me about the etymology of seonsaengnim in English, and how the hanja was so hard and subtle for an English person to grasp. That required a switching of seats.
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
reponding with �����


You should throw a �� on the end of this. It sounds like you are saying this to strangers. Not polite, maybe that's why they aren't helping you.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope... for two reasons.

1. If they figure out you can speak korea they will not STFU.

2. If someone is making an effort to speak to me in English to make feel more welcome I'm not going to slap them for that effort by 'making them' speak korean to me. Plenty of others here that don't speak english that I can practice with so why force the ones that do and take the effort to speak it out of that mold?
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(�̰�) �ѱ����ι�����ؿ�? might be the best phrase there folks, but I'm not 100% sure.

Sometimes a Korean person's English - even though they're trying really hard and their effort is very commendable - is not understandable to me (especially when they say numbers in English). In that case, I'll say "in Korean please?"

Sure, it happens sometimes, but I'd have to be pretty confident that I knew what they meant but just wanted clarification. My Korean is hardly brilliant but it's better than most Koreans' English.

I met a Korean doctor last weekend who thought his English was great! Sadly it wasn't (he worked near Itaewon too) and I had to ask for the Korean version a lot. Sometimes I understood and sometimes I didn't have a clue. There you go.
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adventureman



Joined: 18 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
2. If someone is making an effort to speak to me in English to make feel more welcome I'm not going to slap them for that effort by 'making them' speak korean to me.


How do you know that's the primary reason why they want to use only English with you or be your friend?
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thursdays child



Joined: 21 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a big slap in the face yesterday from my Doctor (not literally) - he informed me how shyte my Korean was compared to patient x,y,and z who had been here for half the time. Patient x,y and g were mostly from the Phillipines - and hence need Korean to make a living - unlike me.

But still, the OP is right you need to be almost pushy to get people to use Korean with you - and I feel I'm putting the guy down if i insit on Korean.

Feeling a weee frustrated at the slowness of my learning.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care what language they use to speak to me, but they are sure to get Korean back.

I have many shopkeepers near my house who think it's a fun exchange. Never met anyone who got upset at me for speaking Korean, nor anyone who "forced" me to speak English to them.

Usually, if I can see they are really trying to work through it in English, I will give them some back...until the conversation takes the turn where they just start to really run out of steam. At that point, they seem relieved to speak Korean.

Either way they want it, it's no big deal. I have more than enough opportunities to use Korean...I don't need to speak it every single time I talk to every Korean. It doesn't make me think they are using English because they think my Korean is terrible.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:

How do you know that's the primary reason why they want to use only English with you or be your friend?


Well lets see outside of my job I don't have that many korean friends. If a shopkeeper wants to speak to me in english I'll talk back in English, ditto cab drivers, random people on the subway and kids.

A few minutes of exchange in Korean really isn't going to improve my Korean, and if they are making the effort to speak english to me (because chances are white blondy is going to speak korean), then I'm not going to get all huffy about someone making an effort.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends, if they are being helpful, couldn't care less. If they are only trying to practice their English, then nope, I will continue in Korean.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
I have more than enough opportunities to use Korean...


Demophobe, how do you manage that?

The only place I can get away from ĵ ���� ���� �� vampires is at sign language class, which meets twice a week.
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Cedar



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on how I feel:

I look at people blankly.

I ask them to speak in Korean.

I say "What did you say?" to them, in Korean.

I say "I'm sorry I can't speak English." (in Korean).

But my most common response is absolutely: �ѱ������� �ѱ��� �ϼ���.

But I only insist on the Korean when:
1. It's obvious my Korean is better than their English (which is almost always true).
2. They don't have a good reason to speak to me in English. I mean, if I (and I am white and fair skinned with dishwater brown hair and hazel eyes) am frantically looking back and forth from one side to the other of the subway platform as both trains slow, trying to figure out which way I'm going, then it's reasonable for someone to ask if they can help me. But if I am sitting in Starbucks with my coffee and my book and someone wants to talk in English... that's another story.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Demophobe wrote:
I have more than enough opportunities to use Korean...


Demophobe, how do you manage that?

The only place I can get away from ĵ ���� ���� �� vampires is at sign language class, which meets twice a week.


My wife is Korean and she is pretty hardcore about using Korean. None of my co-workers speak English at all in either school, all of my correspondance from my schools (as well as all memos, forms and paperwork) is in Korean, I attend and am getting involved in my church, where no one speaks much English, I have a number of Korean friends who don't speak English (loads of Konglish!), nor have much desire to learn it (they are good friends, not just for a free lesson)...

These are enough chances to speak Korean. In fact, I spend about 80% of my day speaking Korean...the other 20% in the classroom.

I also have no foreign friends that I see regularly. I actually have a hard time finding chances to speak English (besides to kids) in my day.

I think it shows.
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cypher



Joined: 08 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might be hijacking the thread a little. I find my experiences with trying to speak Korean fall into the following groups (with no advice to the OP):

1. People do not even try to say things in Korean, not even trying to tell me the price before hauling out the calculator. I CAN at least figure it out enough to give you more than enough, though I still have problems with hearing the difference between cheon won and i cheon won.

2. Koreans can't understand me because my pronunciation is atrocious and they don't have a lot of experience with foreigners speaking their language so perhaps can't make adjustments for that.

3. Koreans speak too quickly for me to understand and...see above.

4. I speak a little Korean, that I've practiced repeatedly in my head all the way to the doctor, pharmacy, wherever, and they give a rapid fire speech of which I understand "2", "30 minutes" and "3000 won". Ne...nod head...repeat...hope for the best.

Okay, that has nothing to do with the OPs question, but everything to do with my frustration with learning Korean.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea isn't an easy country to come and learn the language that is forsure.

With even greater importance being placed on English, it just makes it hard for us. Is it any wonder those who DONT speak English learn Korean WAY faster than those who do?

I spent vast amounts of money trying to learn Korean. The problem is: I NEVER had a chance to use it. Whenever I tried, either the Koreans couldnt understand my pronunciation, or they didn't have patience to try and listen to me.


To be fair to Korea though, this country is really good for English speaking tourists. My parents came over and had no problems. So many people can speak a little English, it's good for tourism. In Japan and China you are really hard pressed to find so many people who speak English.
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