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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: The frightening truth of why Iran wants a bomb |
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The frightening truth of why Iran wants a bomb
By Amir Taheri
(Filed: 16/04/2006)
Last Monday, just before he announced that Iran had gatecrashed "the nuclear club", President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disappeared for several hours. He was having a khalvat (tête-à-tête) with the Hidden Imam, the 12th and last of the imams of Shiism who went into "grand occultation" in 941.
According to Shia lore, the Imam is a messianic figure who, although in hiding, remains the true Sovereign of the World. In every generation, the Imam chooses 36 men, (and, for obvious reasons, no women) naming them the owtad or "nails", whose presence, hammered into mankind's existence, prevents the universe from "falling off". Although the "nails" are not known to common mortals, it is, at times, possible to identify one thanks to his deeds. It is on that basis that some of Ahmad-inejad's more passionate admirers insist that he is a "nail", a claim he has not discouraged. For example, he has claimed that last September, as he addressed the United Nations' General Assembly in New York, the "Hidden Imam drenched the place in a sweet light".
Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war.
In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.
According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.
Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted.
The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear weapons.
Thus do not be surprised if, by the end of the 12 days still left of the United Nations' Security Council "deadline", Ahmadinejad announces a "temporary suspension" of uranium enrichment as a "confidence building measure". Also, don't be surprised if some time in June he agrees to ask the Majlis (the Islamic parliament) to consider signing the additional protocols of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Such manoeuvres would allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) director, Muhammad El-Baradei, and Britain's Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, to congratulate Iran for its "positive gestures" and denounce talk of sanctions, let alone military action. The confidence building measures would never amount to anything, but their announcement would be enough to prevent the G8 summit, hosted by Russia in July, from moving against Iran.
While waiting Bush out, the Islamic Republic is intent on doing all it can to consolidate its gains in the region. Regime changes in Kabul and Baghdad have altered the status quo in the Middle East. While Bush is determined to create a Middle East that is democratic and pro-Western, Ahmadinejad is equally determined that the region should remain Islamic but pro-Iranian. Iran is now the strongest presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, after the US. It has turned Syria and Lebanon into its outer defences, which means that, for the first time since the 7th century, Iran is militarily present on the coast of the Mediterranean. In a massive political jamboree in Teheran last week, Ahmadinejad also assumed control of the "Jerusalem Cause", which includes annihilating Israel "in one storm", while launching a take-over bid for the cash-starved Hamas government in the West Bank and Gaza.
Ahmadinejad has also reactivated Iran's network of Shia organisations in Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Yemen, while resuming contact with Sunni fundamentalist groups in Turkey, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. From childhood, Shia boys are told to cultivate two qualities. The first is entezar, the capacity patiently to wait for the Imam to return. The second is taajil, the actions needed to hasten the return. For the Imam's return will coincide with an apocalyptic battle between the forces of evil and righteousness, with evil ultimately routed. If the infidel loses its nuclear advantage, it could be worn down in a long, low-intensity war at the end of which surrender to Islam would appear the least bad of options. And that could be a signal for the Imam to reappear.
At the same time, not to forget the task of hastening the Mahdi's second coming, Ahamdinejad will pursue his provocations. On Monday, he was as candid as ever: "To those who are angry with us, we have one thing to say: be angry until you die of anger!"
His adviser, Hassan Abassi, is rather more eloquent. "The Americans are impatient," he says, "at the first sight of a setback, they run away. We, however, know how to be patient. We have been weaving carpets for thousands of years."
• Amir Taheri is a former Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest daily newspaper, but now lives in Europe
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/16/do1609.xml |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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If Bush has any strong leadership ability he should, based on this "intelligence" (presuming that it's accurate...) act very decisively in the near future to thwart Iran's ambitions. He obviously would have little support internationally (and even domestically most people would probably oppose it...) but a tactical nuclear strike now - combined with measured attacks against Iran's conventional military forces - might be an effective strategy. Of course, the risk of escalating to all-out nuclear war involving Russia and/or China is possible, but not likely, and Bush has very little to lose politically in terms of popularity... |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:42 am Post subject: |
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maybe Bush can put Saddam back into power and he can threaten all his neighbors again and start another 1980-1988 War with Iran.
just an idea.. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote: |
If Bush has any strong leadership ability he should, based on this "intelligence" (presuming that it's accurate...) act very decisively in the near future to thwart Iran's ambitions. He obviously would have little support internationally (and even domestically most people would probably oppose it...) but a tactical nuclear strike now - combined with measured attacks against Iran's conventional military forces - might be an effective strategy. Of course, the risk of escalating to all-out nuclear war involving Russia and/or China is possible, but not likely, and Bush has very little to lose politically in terms of popularity... |
We have to find out where all the facilities are now, and wipe them out. The genie's out of the bottle, by the way. They've discovered how to enrich uranium. Even a tac nuke strike would be a delay. I'm not saying I disagree with your position, something needs to be done. But none of the solutions are clean, which is why Bush is trying to negotiate. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Taheri is a CIA mole/operative. Has been for a looooooong time. This disinformation is a plant by America to once again begin escalating things so that the march onward of corporate America through war production and the military industrial complex may continue........
If anyone believes for a second all this talk of "nails" etc....they really are a joke and really don't know a thing about Iran, their people and their intelligence.......HOGWASH , all of this speculation. But then again, the Bush regime lives on this type of natural fertilizer....
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
Taheri is a CIA mole/operative. Has been for a looooooong time. This disinformation is a plant by America to once again begin escalating things so that the march onward of corporate America through war production and the military industrial complex may continue........
If anyone believes for a second all this talk of "nails" etc....they really are a joke and really don't know a thing about Iran, their people and their intelligence.......HOGWASH , all of this speculation. But then again, the Bush regime lives on this type of natural fertilizer....
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Iranian intelligence:) Thanks, I needed a good laugh. They are abunch of superstitious, backwards carpet weavers, headed by a psycho president and a bunch of islamofascist mullahs. I do hope Bush does move to take them out. Tactical nuke strikes? I have nothing against it. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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jinju wrote: |
ddeubel wrote: |
Taheri is a CIA mole/operative. Has been for a looooooong time. This disinformation is a plant by America to once again begin escalating things so that the march onward of corporate America through war production and the military industrial complex may continue........
If anyone believes for a second all this talk of "nails" etc....they really are a joke and really don't know a thing about Iran, their people and their intelligence.......HOGWASH , all of this speculation. But then again, the Bush regime lives on this type of natural fertilizer....
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Iranian intelligence:) Thanks, I needed a good laugh. They are abunch of superstitious, backwards carpet weavers, headed by a psycho president and a bunch of islamofascist mullahs. I do hope Bush does move to take them out. Tactical nuke strikes? I have nothing against it. |
Depends on which part of the world you're talking about. Since Farsi is the same as Dari used in Afghanistan and Pashto is pretty close as well, they probably have a leg up in that area. Tajikstan uses a kind of Persian with Cyrillic letters too, so an Iranian would only have to learn to read the script. Then there's Azeri in the northwest (23 million people) which is almost the same as Turkish, which makes all the languages from Turkey to Turkmenistan to Uzbekistan and all the way into western China a snap.
For the rest of the world I doubt their intelligence is anything to write home about. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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When you've got two nuclear armed powers (USA and Israel) on your border and one of them flattened the neighbor you fought for years and couldn't crack and that nuclear power flattened them in a long weekend with superior fire power, and that nuclear armed nation seems to refuse to accept you're progressing slowly towards democracy on your own terms, well, it seems to me the only logical choice is develop a nuclear deterrent. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
When you've got two nuclear armed powers (USA and Israel) on your border and one of them flattened the neighbor you fought for years and couldn't crack and that nuclear power flattened them in a long weekend with superior fire power, and that nuclear armed nation seems to refuse to accept you're progressing slowly towards democracy on your own terms, well, it seems to me the only logical choice is develop a nuclear deterrent. |
The Iranian regime isn't talking "deterrence," however. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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What piece of enlightenment does the article have to offer? It doesn't give a reason for Iran wanting a nuke. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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If you want a glimpse of what life is like for people in that region, watch a movie called "In this World" .
I am surprised that no one has commented on Scott Ritter's video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPt7qL5QR0&search=scott%20ritter
It pretty much takes the hot air out of the Iran nuclear "threat" crap.
I think this whole thing has more to do with trying to scare US voters into supporting the republicants in the upcomming elections.
I also found this "enlightening".
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=11431
This aside, the idea that any Iranian leader would commit national suicide in order to harm Israel is ridiculous. Lots of ��crazy�� leaders -- Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong Il -- have had nuclear weapons and they��ve never done anything like that. What��s more, if Iran wanted to start a war with Israel, kill a bunch of Jews, and get wiped out in the process they could do that with conventional weapons. But in more than 20 years in power, the Islamic Republic��s never done any such thing. Indeed, just over the weekend Iran announced it would offer up a paltry $50 million in aid to the new Hamas-ified Palestinian Authority compared with many hundreds of millions in funding the PA lost from Europe and the United States. Just as they taught me in Hebrew school, the Islamic world��s governments like to talk a big game about Israel, but don��t actually give a rat's ass about the issue and never have. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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jinju wrote: |
Iranian intelligence:) Thanks, I needed a good laugh. They are abunch of superstitious, backwards carpet weavers, headed by a psycho president and a bunch of islamofascist mullahs. I do hope Bush does move to take them out. Tactical nuke strikes? I have nothing against it. |
Holy smokes, the level of ignorance in this post nearly blew my mind!
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I suppose I'm going to have to explain what I mean by this- I'm not referring here to your slurs (couldn't care less) or your desire to go nuclear, but rather your appraisal of the Iranian regime and more importanly its intelligence service, which is both competent and feared.
You speak from utter ignorance, and it shows.
Why do you always do your 'drunk jackass at the end of bar' routine in these political threads? 
Last edited by Bulsajo on Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:58 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Bulsajo wrote: |
jinju wrote: |
Iranian intelligence:) Thanks, I needed a good laugh. They are abunch of superstitious, backwards carpet weavers, headed by a psycho president and a bunch of islamofascist mullahs. I do hope Bush does move to take them out. Tactical nuke strikes? I have nothing against it. |
Holy smokes, the level of ignorance in this post nearly blew my mind!
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Are you denying the fact that Iran is an islamofascist state? |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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see above. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Hadn't heard of the video before, but had read everything he said.
It's a great, concise summary.
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This aside, the idea that any Iranian leader would commit national suicide in order to harm Israel is ridiculous. Lots of ��crazy�� leaders -- Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong Il -- have had nuclear weapons and they��ve never done anything like that. |
I hope jinju is taking note here.
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What��s more, if Iran wanted to start a war with Israel, kill a bunch of Jews, and get wiped out in the process they could do that with conventional weapons. But in more than 20 years in power, the Islamic Republic��s never done any such thing. |
I hope Rapier is taking note here.
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Indeed, just over the weekend Iran announced it would offer up a paltry $50 million in aid to the new Hamas-ified Palestinian Authority compared with many hundreds of millions in funding the PA lost from Europe and the United States. Just as they taught me in Hebrew school, the Islamic world��s governments like to talk a big game about Israel, but don��t actually give a rat's ass about the issue and never have. |
Indeed the whole Israel-Palestine is a great whipping boy for arab countries, but no Arab country actually wants to help the Palestinians... at least not to any real extent. And the Iranians, of course, are not Arabs. How much do they really care about what happens to Israelis and Palestinians? Not a whole heck of a lot. They'd give Israel all of the west bank includeing East Jerusalem in an instant if it would somehow acheive their goals in Iraq.
That's really what this is about- not so much US, Israel or nuclear weapons, but Sunni rivals (Saudi for one), Iraqi stability. |
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