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poker player
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 Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: Michelle Wie Playing in Seoul |
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At the Sk Telecom Open Skye 72 Golf Club May 5 weekend. Where is that? If she wasn't 16 she'd be hot. i've got socks older than her----but not as hot.
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Michelle Wie Playing in Seoul |
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| poker player wrote: |
| At the Sk Telecom Open Skye 72 Golf Club May 5 weekend. Where is that? If she wasn't 16 she'd be hot. i've got socks older than her----but not as hot. |
But she's 18 in Korean years. Close enough for me. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Since she plays golf there is a good chance she doesn't like guys. |
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poker player
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
| Since she plays golf there is a good chance she doesn't like guys. |
4th dumbest post of the year |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:04 am Post subject: |
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She's becoming another Anna Kournikova - she seems like she can't win a tournament or come really close to winning one - all looks and no real championship-winning talent. She's raking in the money but she hasn't won anything major yet - unlike Sharapova who's young like her but winning her tournaments.
I don't like her - she's overrated. I don't like her personality and I don't like the way she plays - she throws hissy fits when she misses, just like a teen throwing a tantrum. She doesn't have the professionalism and the right attitude to be a star on the green.
And her gushing over meeting with Condeleeza Rice, doesn't she know she's a tool ... Rice is trying to improve her image by setting up meetings with young prominent American females - at least Jessica Simpson had the sense to turn her down - it's pretty bad when Jessica Simpson (although she's probably a lot smarter than she looks) is more clued in than you. |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Patchy wrote:
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| I don't like her - she's overrated. I don't like her personality and I don't like the way she plays - she throws hissy fits when she misses, just like a teen throwing a tantrum. She doesn't have the professionalism and the right attitude to be a star on the green. |
She recently turned 16. What do you expect from her? Where were you at 16? Or maybe, where do you expect to be at 16? She's on the board more than Tiger was at that age (anyone was at that age). I think she holds herself very well, considering her idea of fun is shopping and going to the mall.
Her father, on the other hand, I've read he's the ass.
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Michelle Wie��s father Wie Byung-wook, a professor of transportation at the University of Hawaii, agreed to a telephone interview with the Chosun Ilbo on Thursday.
��I��m well aware there that some say, since Michelle Wie is an American why is she making such a fuss. But you know what, the only thing about her that��s American is her passport, she is "definitely" Korean.�� The golfer��s favorite dish is ��rice with pork Kimchi soup with extra tofu and toasted seaweed on the side.�� Her mouth waters when she hears about Bossam (boiled pork) or steamed codfish, and Soondae (Korean sausage) and Deokbokki (broiled rice pasta with Korean chilli paste sauce). She may have been born in America but her first words were Korean, and she did not start learning English until after she was attending school. |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| At the Sk Telecom Open Skye 72 Golf Club May 5 weekend. Where is that? |
I've read that it's on an island near Incheon. Maybe out by the airport?
I wouldn't mind going out to see her. |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| HapKi wrote: |
Patchy wrote:
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| I don't like her - she's overrated. I don't like her personality and I don't like the way she plays - she throws hissy fits when she misses, just like a teen throwing a tantrum. She doesn't have the professionalism and the right attitude to be a star on the green. |
She recently turned 16. What do you expect from her? Where were you at 16? Or maybe, where do you expect to be at 16? She's on the board more than Tiger was at that age (anyone was at that age). I think she holds herself very well, considering her idea of fun is shopping and going to the mall. |
I misspoke, I should have said like a pre-teen or a middle schooler or younger-aged throwing a tantrum when things don't go their way in a game. But regardless of that, I wasn't playing in world-class tournaments at that age so who cares about me? As a professional sportswoman who professes her eagerness to play with the adults and aspires to win tournaments and become the top woman (and even top all-round, male or female) golfer in the world, she doesn't impress me with her behavior. To be a champion, you can't be ordinary in your conduct, or in her case, less than ordinary.
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| I think she holds herself very well, considering her idea of fun is shopping and going to the mall. |
I don't know what shopping and going to the mall has got to do with this issue. Are you saying she is just an ordinary (affluent) American teenager and so is likable? For me, I feel the opposite: she comes across as banal and airheaded.
She doesn't seem very bright when she speaks in interviews, she came across as giggly and inarticulate. I just don't think she has the hallmarks to be a star in golf. I think the only thing going for her that makes people interested in her including sponsors is her youth. But she is very tall for her age, taller than some men golfers, and also commensurately strong, so this is her advantage, and therefore is looking talented at her age. However only having natural attributes isn't enough to turn yourself into a champ and so far she doesn't show she has the mental attributes or character to be a top player in her sport.
I also think she comes across as slightly arrogant in public. And she is not that attractive either, come to think of it - she has horse-gums, LOL.
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Her father, on the other hand, I've read he's the ass.
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Michelle Wie��s father Wie Byung-wook, a professor of transportation at the University of Hawaii, agreed to a telephone interview with the Chosun Ilbo on Thursday.
��I��m well aware there that some say, since Michelle Wie is an American why is she making such a fuss. But you know what, the only thing about her that��s American is her passport, she is "definitely" Korean.�� The golfer��s favorite dish is ��rice with pork Kimchi soup with extra tofu and toasted seaweed on the side.�� Her mouth waters when she hears about Bossam (boiled pork) or steamed codfish, and Soondae (Korean sausage) and Deokbokki (broiled rice pasta with Korean chilli paste sauce). She may have been born in America but her first words were Korean, and she did not start learning English until after she was attending school. |
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I think she takes after her father in being arrogant. I don't think he is being highly arrogant (giving him the benefit of the doubt in this case) in saying she is still a Korean etc etc BTW (and you blame him for sounding like that when he is talking to the Korean media and his hometown in Korea collected money for his daughter before she became really big?), as America is a multicultural country supposedly and one can stick to one's (original) culture as much as possible (he probably plays up her Americanness to the American media) - well, this is the politically correct understanding of multiculturalism although it is evident that in practise this is not true: minority cultures are often thought of as inferior in America ...
..... he is being offensive in other ways - being overly ambitious for his daughter and too-controlling - even to the point of trying to cheat on her behalf - he was caught tossing a ball further than it landed or something like that - and she was disqualified as a result. Obviously he's a bit of a fanatic about her becoming a success, reminds me a bit of Mary Pierce's father (but not as violent). But in the end, all of these behaviors - of the daughter and father - will not lead to the pinnacle of golfing success (maybe financial success though) for Michelle Wie - only "almost", or "nearly at the top", or "not quite" (the current pattern of her performance) - in other words, it will lead to mediocrity.
For her to be a true champ, she and her father need to stop thinking about the endorsements, stop accepting them or accept fewer (they are setting themselves and others up for disappointment, and the novelty of her being so young will soon wear off and the public will get tired of it), and just concentrate on becoming the best - they need to act more humbly and think about the game a lot more, not thinking about pleasing the sponsors and making money and attracting publicity so much (she hasn't won a single major tournament as of now) ...
... And then once she is the best, accept them and the accolades and sponsorships will be greater than now ... but they won't and don't think like that - they are acting like greedy two-bit hucksters IMO, who are trying to milk her (undeserved) celebrity status for as much as it's worth while they can, and arrogant people (they act as if she IS the best now) and they don't care about her being the best in real life, just the dollar signs; and before her 24th birthday she will be a has-been and people will be sick and tired of talking about her 'potential' (and the gimmicky "I want to play and beat the men golfers even though I'm a girl") just like they were with Anna Kournikova.
But American sports has degenerated - it is becoming all about the glitz, the glamor (people should be paying more attention to improving their skills and less on their grooming; it's all about who's 'hot' these days), the fake (the doping and cheating and getting unfair advantage, the win-at-all-costs mentality even if it's obvious to the world your whole gameplan consists of beating the starter's pistol a la Ohno and the Canadian short-tracker) and the commercialism that accompanies it, and has less and less to do with actual merit these days.
The media hype about Michelle Wie is just the latest manifestation of it. |
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poker player
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| patchy wrote: |
The media hype about Michelle Wie is just the latest manifestation of it. |
Well for all your dissing of her, she is rated 2nd in the world rankings behind Annika Sorenstam. The poll is based on actual results, unlike your post.
http://www.lpga.com/content/RolexRankings4-24-06.pdf |
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hogwonguy1979
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| does anybody have info with Fri off I'd love to go see her, any 16 year old girl that hit the ball 270 yards I got to see |
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hogwonguy1979
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: |
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course is out by ICN, there is a korean website for ticket info I was told of. KNTO didn't have info about tickets at the door.
If anybody is going PM me. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| patchy wrote: |
I misspoke, I should have said like a pre-teen or a middle schooler or younger-aged throwing a tantrum when things don't go their way in a game. But regardless of that, I wasn't playing in world-class tournaments at that age so who cares about me? As a professional sportswoman who professes her eagerness to play with the adults and aspires to win tournaments and become the top woman (and even top all-round, male or female) golfer in the world, she doesn't impress me with her behavior. To be a champion, you can't be ordinary in your conduct, or in her case, less than ordinary.
She doesn't seem very bright when she speaks in interviews, she came across as giggly and inarticulate. I just don't think she has the hallmarks to be a star in golf.
I also think she comes across as slightly arrogant in public. And she is not that attractive either, come to think of it - she has horse-gums, LOL.
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I told you before, you are an idiot. Lets see, an arrogant, inarticulate primadonna cant be a star? Then there goes half the freaking NBA. Dude, often the BEST are arrogant primadonnas. Ever watch McEnroe? Jordan? Maradona? The New York Yankees? The NBA? Need I go on? Its not just sports either. Its business, its acting, music, its politics. The arrogant ones are more often the stars because they have the drive to go places. Nice guys often, not always but often, do finish last. or atleast 2nd. The only nice guy big star I can think of is Federer. The biggest aresehole, most arrogant *beep* I can think of is currently the highest earning athelete in the world: Schumacher. An evil, arrogant bastard, but rich beyond all imagination.
And I dont even think Michelle Wie is arrogant, a primadonna or inarticulate. She is a 15 or 16 year old, normal kid. Look at you. You graduated college, supposedly, yet you are as inarticulate as they come. |
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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I like how she wears dangly, impractical earrings while practicing or on the driving range. Not a bad golf game, but it's funny how she thinks about looking flashy while doing it.
I'm worried I even noticed something like that. :D
jae. |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I vaguely recall that Tiger Woods refused an invitation for a White House function (honoring some famous black athlete, I think...) when Bill Clinton was residing there. (Possibly wanted to show solidarity with wealthy Republicans...) |
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patchy
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I told you before, you are an idiot. Lets see, an arrogant, inarticulate primadonna cant be a star? Then there goes half the freaking NBA. Dude, often the BEST are arrogant primadonnas. Ever watch McEnroe? Jordan? Maradona? The New York Yankees? The NBA? Need I go on? Its not just sports either.
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They won games despite being primadonnas.
Maradona - um, drug scandals, McEnroe - lost how many matches because of his tantrums? McEnroe was a showman, he wasn't really a great tennisplayer, he won some tournaments but other players have beaten his record - see my point about the commercialism of American sports? It's all about puiblicity and so on, that's why people like him are remembered, not the true greats.
Most of these arrogant sports champions become arrogant after they start becoming successful. You're clutching at straws by talking about arrogant teams as opposed to arrogant individuals.
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| Its business, its acting, music, its politics. The arrogant ones are more often the stars because they have the drive to go places. Nice guys often, not always but often, do finish last. or atleast 2nd. The only nice guy big star I can think of is Federer. |
And it could be argued these people could be even more successful if they weren't so arrogant. Besides, sport is different to business, acting, politics - a whole different playing field. You can hustle your way to the top in those other arenas, but with sport it's different. You can earn mega bucks as a sportsperson but if you never win the tournaments, you are still a second-rate player, a two-bit hustler at the end of the day. Scores don't lie about your performance.
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| The biggest aresehole, most arrogant *beep* I can think of is currently the highest earning athelete in the world: Schumacher. An evil, arrogant *beep*, but rich beyond all imagination. |
He deserves to be 'arrogant' because he is so successful in his chosen sport. But he was successful first and worked hard and was unknown and unfeted until he started winning car races first. I don't think he is an arrogant person anyway. He comes across as a nice humble grounded family man in his interviews. How many tournaments (apart from junior ones) has Michelle won?
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| And I dont even think Michelle Wie is arrogant, a primadonna or inarticulate. |
You don't? I think she comes across as a bit arrogant. I think she should start winning a championship against women first (she hasn't yet) before she starts saying she can beat the men or anyone for that matter. She gets mileage from the attention her comments attract and that's why she keeps making them but she needs to start winning a tournament first before she keeps making comments about beating people.
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| She is a 15 or 16 year old, normal kid. |
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"I don't know what shopping and going to the mall has got to do with this issue. Are you saying she is just an ordinary (affluent) American teenager and so is likable? For me, I feel the opposite: she comes across as banal and airheaded.
She doesn't seem very bright when she speaks in interviews, she came across as giggly and inarticulate."
She's 16? So what? She's taller than the average American male and at her age is at the peak of her condition and strength. She's also been playing since she was five or some young age like that. It's all downhill for her physically speaking from now on which doesn't bode well for her.
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| Look at you. You graduated college, supposedly, yet you are as inarticulate as they come. |
"I wasn't playing in world-class tournaments at that age so who cares about me?" |
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