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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Why do you assume that the choice is always between two equally bad dictators? Anyway, since you do seem to assume that, why do you want the U.S. government to be involved in atrocities? |
that is the way it was during the cold war at least most of the time.
I would rather be a bad guy in power who was pro US than a bad guy who was in power who was anti US. IF that is the alternative then what else is there
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| You thought wrong. |
followed your lead
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| You brought up Nazis on one of your tangents, which I took time to address. Now you have gone from Nazis to the Klan for no apparent reason. And I will not go to their websites! |
well at any rate the nazis are against the US
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| Back to your Nazi tangent: I was thinking along the lines of Project Paperclip, Gehlen, The Manhattan Institute, some of the things described in the book Vaccine A, and the Bush family. |
Questionable source but anyway what does that have to do with Bush now?
As I said the Nazis hate Bush.
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| You didn't answer my question. |
I think the US is working with some of those who worked for Saddam , others who worked for him are with the insurgents.
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| I don't know that Bathists have a right to rule over the Kurds and Shias. Why do you ask? |
cause that is what the insurgents are fighting for
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| After the U.S. sent forces to Saudi Arabia and Iraq. And, don't forget, after the U.S. government interfered with Iran's internal affairs. I don't like fundamentalists, but if you mess with someone it is predictable they will not like it and might retaliate. |
The US sent forces to Saudi to keep Saddam under control - from attacking muslims. Besides what right does Bin Laden have to speak for so many in the mideast.
The US interfered with Irans government at the time of the Korean war. It doesn't justify by any means what Iran's govt has done since then.
the US hasn't messed with Iran in a long time attacking the US in the 80's and 90's wasn't relataltion for 1953.
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| It seems to have a lot to do with their fundamentalism. Pretty simple, huh? |
they don't accept others.
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| Based on the quotes you provided? No. Clearly not. They attacked U.S. forces who had been sent outside the U.S. by their leaders. |
they did not attack the US?": attacking US forces isn't attacking the USs?
Apologist!
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| Exporting politics? Gosh, isn't that what you keep claiming the former Soviet Union did? That's what the U.S. is still doing! |
Yes the Soviet Union was an evil empire and the Iranian form of govt was a dictatorship and an evil system. But more than anything the US is just trying to force them to give up their war.
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| Such as an Iraq dominated by fundamentalists that might be Iran's new best friend? |
that remains to be seen but Saddam was an enemy of the US and none of this justifys Iran's war.
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| I don't understand this sentence. "Why" instead of "What" maybe? That's a guess, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. |
why ought the US allow Saddam or Iran to conquer the gulf?
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| Well written. Nor is it a reason to do so as the first part of your sentence suggests. |
the US can't afford to give 3 B to Israel but I think the US ought to wish Israel well . Especially since those like those who run Iran want to destroy it.
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| Some of the stuff you included about Iran supports the part about goading people into terrorism |
they don't have a right to
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| . And as for that being related to increasing government powers, it's and old trick and very well established -- keep the people afraid and/or (relatively) united against an enemy. Then the people will be less likely to mind if their rights are infringed upon. Some people will even demand it. |
Execpt that there is no trick , Bathists , Khomeni followers and Bin Laden supporters won't give up their war. The US was attacked and the US is at war. even with the Patriot act the US is still one of the most tolerant and free nations in the world.
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| Yes, as I am in favor of having rights and am not a fan of increased government power. |
even with the Patriot act you have plenty of rights.
Indeed how have your rights been taken away?
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| The U.S. lied to a very defensive Soviet Union that had paranoid leadership. The Soviet Union was more interested in defending itself. |
the Soviet Union was in fact offensive that is why the built heavy missile for first strike capability that is why they supported all sorts of revolutions in the third world.
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| In recent years Uncle Sam's grip on South America has loosened, and the people of several South American nations have elected candidates who seem to be somewhat reformist. You think this is worse than the dictatorships and death squads associated with past U.S. influence? |
Those who have come to power are not the same as the death squads but those fighting for communism in the 70's 80's committed their share of human rights violations.
And look at FARK those drug terrorists.
By the way in El Salvador the communists can't win . Such is the case in Nicaraga
I don't know what you are talking about. However I brought up so many examples cause you are so murky and evasive in what you were saying.
How is the US interfering? but it might be in the US interests to interfere t when its interests are at stake.
Jefferson by the way didn't have to face the Nazis , the Soviets or Al Qaeda.
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| As things stand, I do not plan to participate in more of your nonsense on this thread. If you expect another response from me you need to more coherent; stop introducing tangents and stick to the topic -- even if it means figuring out what the topic is. It has been kinda fun shredding your "arguments," but enough is enough. Stop trying to waste my time |
Run away make charges and run.
All you do is throw out misinformation while you apologize for the enemies of the US .
You didn't shread anything nor could you. In fact we know enough about you when you said that Iran didn't attack the US. Case closed. You are nothing but an angry radical libertarian.
You got your head handed to you and we both know it. |
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David76
Joined: 15 Jun 2003
Location: U.S.
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| You got your head handed to you and we both know it. |
Wrong. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| You got your head handed to you and we both know it. |
Wrong. |
You didn't shread anything nor could you. In fact we know enough about you when you said that Iran didn't attack the US. and if they did it was justified cause the US helped the Shah back into power 30 / 40/ 53 years ago Case closed.
You got your head handed to you and we both know it. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, just a rip-roarin' success in Iraq!!
From Andrew Sullivan's blog April 29th...
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| They're grim. 100,000 families have so far been forced to flee their homes; U.S. fatalities were sharply up in April; 8,300 civilian Iraqis were murdered by terrorist insurgents in 2005. In terms of civilian deaths, adjusted for population size, Iraq endured something like twenty-five 9/11s last year. Let's put it another way: a territory controlled by U.S. forces accounted for 50 percent of deaths caused by terrorists on the planet last year. If that is a successful military occupation, then I'm not sure what failure would be. |
Wow. Baghdad, Beverly Hills. The similarities are UNCANNY!!
http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/ |
Good one.
I saw today where a British helicopter was shot down and the Iraqis celebrated.
Wonder what could be a comparison in California?  |
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