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AbbeFaria
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| The point being that Christianity and those who have followed, have often made great contributions to this world. |
What follows is a rant.
That's not really in question. Atleast as far as I'm concerned. What I, and it seems many others have a problem with is when the evangelicals want to control all aspects of life based on what they believe the bible says. That's why you run in to so much resistance. I don't feel wrong in saying that most of the people in this board don't care one way or another whether you, or anyone wants to worship Christ, Buddha, Allah or your refridgerator, just as long as you keep it to yourself. (Those board members that do are hypocrites. They've no right to demand freedom of worship/nonworship from if you if they can't give it to you also.)The problem is that you/they don't.
Many Christians want to squeeze their agenda into every facet of life. If you want to "spread the good news" fine, hand out your pamphlets, stand at the airports with change boxes and if people are interested, they'll come to you. When the fundis start pushing their way in to government at all levels, and getting laws passed that force change on all the people who don't believe, that's when there's a problem.
Supposedly we have seperation of church and state in the US, but that's a joke going way back before Bush was in office and was finding ways to funnel government money to christian charities. (Highly illegal by the way.) Every sex law on the books is there because of religion. Laws against oral sex, anal sex, homosexual sex, anything other than missionary position for procreation in some places. Sure, it's rarely enforced, but it's only there because of religious zealots who think that people aren't smart enough to lead their own lives. They need to be controlled. And that's not even mentioning porn.
But that's just sex. Alcohol is another big one. No liquor sales on Sunday. No liquor sales after 1am, midnight, 11:30. Any last call at your local bar. All in place because of holier-than-though preachers and church groups. Does the government tell you how late you're allowed to purchase bread? What about a bag of nachos. If they really wanted to screw the pot-heads they'd ban all sackfood sales after 11:30 so the stoners have nothing to eat when they get the munchies.
But do you see where I'm going with this? Why is it that Christians (and by comparisons Muslims and all the others) feel they have the divine right to tell me how exactly I can spend my day. Please let me know fiveeagles, because it's bugging the crap out of me. Don't I have free will to make my own choices and either choose to walk in the light or not? When did the church's will supercede God's will?
If it was up to you all I wouldn't be able to read most of the books I read, watch the tv I watch and listen to the music I want. You've basically turned yourselves into thought police. My aunt, one of the worst kind of fundis, the barely literate ones, actually believes she can walk on water. She stands in her bathtub barefoot in a couple of inches of water and tries to walk across it. She caught my 9 year old cousin watching Harry Potter somehow and beat the crap out of her, claiming that the movie possessed her. It's insane. And while hopefully she's not the norm, the preacher who brainwashed her into thinking she could levitate is. They are the ones who are trying to get their agenda imposed on all 300 million of my fellow citizens.
Why don't your kind understand that a forced conversion is no real conversion at all. If you have to force the non-believers into feigning belief just to avoid trouble, have you really won? If all these people that you've turned in to religious slaves with your legislation and domination, really in their hearts hate you and God and everything that it represents, have you really done Gods work? Do you think that when you die God will say to you "Good work my son. Through your works you have turned millions of hearts against my Word. Those who may have come to me in their own time were instead forced into the pews and forced into a pious life they didn't want and died cursing my name. We've reserved you an honored place at my side."
And while I'm getting a little personal with all the "you" stuff, it's just for the sake of argument. You yourself may not want your church controlling all, but then again, maybe you do. Either way, there are plenty of christians out there who won't be happy and won't rest until they do. That's why you find so much animosity. Most of us here have been effected negatively by religion at some point. Talking to my cousin and have her telling me she'd been possessed by Harry Potter and believing it was a huge one for me, but that's just one of many. Why can't you just leave people to find their own path. It's not like they're going to forget the churches are there.
Just my thoughts.
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Satori
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| Fundamentalist christianity is the most powerful force for evil on the planet today. Nothing turns a person of religion faster than a fundamentalist. |
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fiveeagles
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Bulsajo
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canuckistan
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Hilarious Christian #841,857!!! |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Fundamentalist christianity is the most powerful force for evil on the planet today |
More evil than people who want to see the reintroduction of stoning for adultery. We know who they are, and they ain't fundamentalist Christians. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
What follows is a rant.
That's not really in question. Atleast as far as I'm concerned. What I, and it seems many others have a problem with is when the evangelicals want to control all aspects of life based on what they believe the bible says. That's why you run in to so much resistance. I don't feel wrong in saying that most of the people in this board don't care one way or another whether you, or anyone wants to worship Christ, Buddha, Allah or your refridgerator, just as long as you keep it to yourself. (Those board members that do are hypocrites. They've no right to demand freedom of worship/nonworship from if you if they can't give it to you also.)The problem is that you/they don't.
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That's the crux of this life. Like I have said in the past, human secularism is a religion and has it's own agenda. Basically, it's the religion of immorality.
So you can see why Christianity and Human Secularism are at odds.
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| Many Christians want to squeeze their agenda into every facet of life. If you want to "spread the good news" fine, hand out your pamphlets, stand at the airports with change boxes and if people are interested, they'll come to you. When the fundis start pushing their way in to government at all levels, and getting laws passed that force change on all the people who don't believe, that's when there's a problem. |
That's the power of democracy and if you don't like it; move to China or some other country where you can find religion transformed into a cult. The only place where you will find real Christans are those who worship underground.
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| But do you see where I'm going with this? Why is it that Christians (and by comparisons Muslims and all the others) feel they have the divine right to tell me how exactly I can spend my day. Please let me know fiveeagles, because it's bugging the crap out of me. Don't I have free will to make my own choices and either choose to walk in the light or not? When did the church's will supercede God's will? |
Once again, its called Democracy. People have the right to choose what they want. You don't like what's happening in America then you have the ability and power to change that. There are many things that are available for you to do that. Join the ACLU donors club. Read up on George Soros and what he is planning on how to bring about Human Secularism. Right?
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| Why don't your kind understand that a forced conversion is no real conversion at all. If you have to force the non-believers into feigning belief just to avoid trouble, have you really won? If all these people that you've turned in to religious slaves with your legislation and domination, really in their hearts hate you and God and everything that it represents, have you really done Gods work? Do you think that when you die God will say to you "Good work my son. Through your works you have turned millions of hearts against my Word. Those who may have come to me in their own time were instead forced into the pews and forced into a pious life they didn't want and died cursing my name. We've reserved you an honored place at my side." |
I could really get into a lot on what you just said, but I will leave it with this scripture. I will paraphrase it to make it simple.
In the end days many will fall away from the faith and turn to the world systems. Like my sig says, I don't agree with a lot that the church is doing. However, it would probably be a lot different than what you think.
BTW
Here's the uncut version of the movie "INVISIBLE CHILDREN" for anyone who is interested.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3166797753930210643 |
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