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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Satori wrote: |
| Oh, you can still sell lots of records making inferior stuff, |
Now, now, Satori. You said "inaccessible". That's what I addressed. Stay focused! *snaps fingers a few times in the air* |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
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| Oh, you can still sell lots of records making inferior stuff, |
Now, now, Satori. You said "inaccessible". That's what I addressed. Stay focused! *snaps fingers a few times in the air* |
I just checked all my posts, and I didn't say "inaccessible" anywhere...
*does the black woman cobra thing with the neck and the talk to the hand thing, while saying "Uh uh, don't go there girlfriend"*
Look, we could argue semantics all day. Im not saying they are completely useless. Obviously a lot of people still buy thier albumns. Im saying that unless they get back to making music that is more natural and human they will not go down as a band with the status of a Beatles, Stones, Floyd, Queen, U2, REM. And they could have. They have what it takes. It's just a shame, to me, what they are doing. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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seems at times, some folks argue that innovation precludes crappy music. I don't think that is the case at ALL. It is very, very VERY easy to make innovative music crappy.
One can make brilliant music that isn't at ALL innovative. I find a lot of bluegrass brilliant but it's been around for well, a while.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:xyen97bskr0t
I just plopped up a review that Satori may be getting at. Otherwise, at least I would certainly agree with it.
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Radiohead have consistently been named on all-time lists by various organizations.
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Because of their innovation. And the fact that they are a ROCK band who made competent music that had little to nothing to do with the classic rock genre. In virtually every review I paroused, I read "sounding at times like Aphex Twin".
But that was all newspapers and magazines and crap.
As I try to find some average joe idiot reviews, I come across a strange thing: HArdly ANYONE seems to think it is a midrange album; it's either 1/5 or 4.5/5. Strange how that happens.
One thing is for certain: I really REALLY have to give this album a few more listens...
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Radiohead isn't a pop group. Why hold them to pop standards? Sputter sputter!
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Rolling stone, in their review of Kid A, mentioned the word pop several times. He begins the review with the question "This is pop?" And then attempts to justify his conclusion which is:
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| But this is pop, a music of ornery, glistening guile and honest ache, and it will feel good under your skin once you let it get there [original italics] |
is it pop? What is pop? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| Oh, you can still sell lots of records making inferior stuff, |
Now, now, Satori. You said "inaccessible". That's what I addressed. Stay focused! *snaps fingers a few times in the air* |
I just checked all my posts, and I didn't say "inaccessible" anywhere... |
My bad!
"Unlistenable". "Inaccessible" I derived from your rabbit hole discourse. 
Either way, it's hard to call their biggest selling album "unlistenable", but much easier to defend than "inaccessible", for sure.
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| *does the black woman cobra thing with the neck and the talk to the hand thing, while saying "Uh uh, don't go there girlfriend"* |
Oh, uh uh! No you di'n!
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| Look, we could argue semantics all day. Im not saying they are completely useless. Obviously a lot of people still buy thier albumns. Im saying that unless they get back to making music that is more natural and human they will not go down as a band with the status of a Beatles, Stones, Floyd, Queen, U2, REM. And they could have. They have what it takes. It's just a shame, to me, what they are doing. |
But but but but but but but but b...
*head blows up* |
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capebretoncanadian
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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A band that has consistently pumped out great stuff for at least 10 years.....Pearl Jam. Better than the chili peppers in my opinion and much better than U2  . I won't say they're better than Radiohead but I certainly enjoy them as much if not more. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Radiohead isn't a pop group. Why hold them to pop standards? Sputter sputter!
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Rolling stone, in their review of Kid A, mentioned the word pop several times. He begins the review with the question "This is pop?" And then attempts to justify his conclusion which is:
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| But this is pop, a music of ornery, glistening guile and honest ache, and it will feel good under your skin once you let it get there [original italics] |
is it pop? What is pop? |
Hmm.. well, I can't argue with a Rolling Stones writer who doubtlessly has more musical knowledge than I, but, I never considered Radiohead to be pop. What is pop? My working defintion is music that's designed with mass appeal as its main goal. There's obvious pop, like Britney Spears, there's pop rap like Ja Rule, pop country, like that guy who married that lady, pop rock, like Maroon 5, and pop composers like that sellout Salieri.
If you go to a music store, you'll find Radiohead under "popular" headings, though. But you'll also find Godspeed You! Black Emperor, and lots of groups who most certainly are not pop. I suppose on some levels, you must be considered pop to be in a chain music store at all.
*head explodes again* |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| They're free to pursue thier artistic desires, of course. But lets not pretend it's a pure pursuit. They make thier living from this for one thing. And when you take the step to release music commercially you are putting yourself under public scrutiny, like it or not. If they were so pure about thier art, they would do it in a basement and no one would hear it. They could get all the satisfaction they need that way. You seem to admire the fact they dont care what people want to hear, I think it makes them self absorbed *beep*. Different perspectives. They will have a place in rock history. But it would have been a much bigger place if they had more of a balance between making listenable music and innovation for it's own sake. Further, you can make innovative music that is also listenable, it's just a lot harder than making music that is only innovative. |
Why isn't it a pure pursuit? Because someone offered them money to do art? As I said, if money is their motivation, I will agree, but with Radiohead, I can't. They just don't seem interested in doing anything but what they want.
Under public scrutiny, yes. That doesn't mean that they have to conform to what the public wants from them. Again, they don't.
Different perspectives? Ok. I want art to be for it's own sake; something the artist needs to do. You think it's about public adulation, money and fame. Honestly, your view of music seems pretty veneer. Good luck selling lots of your "art" then...that is the only way you will deem yourself successful, sad as that is.
At least Radiohead can retire with some dignity, unlike the other cash-mongers out there. You must hold a special place for Britteny Spears (sp?) then. She will have more of a place in your music history than Radiohead. She did sell more, make more "listenable" (really, whatever that means) music and catered to the fans' desires.
I am being extreme in my example, but only to illustrate my point. If you were Radiohead's record label, they would be on MTV more, heard on Casey's top 40 and even my parents would know who they are. This has nothing to do with music, art or artists. Apparently, this hasn't much to do with Radiohead either. Thankfully.
Finally, to think that "real artists" must be starving, unable to make ends meet via their craft alone, locked in a basement and unknown is absurd. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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seems at times, some folks argue that innovation precludes crappy music. I don't think that is the case at ALL. It is very, very VERY easy to make innovative music crappy.
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I agree with this very much!
Here are some telling snippets from that review you linked...
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So, Kid A is an unqualified success? Well, not quite. Despite its admirable ambition, Kid A is never as visionary or stunning as OK Computer, nor does it really repay the time it demands.
It's self-consciously alienating and difficult, and while that can be intriguing, it seems deeper than it actually is. Repeated plays dissipate the mystique and reveal a number of rather drab songs (primarily during the second half), where there isn't enough under the surface to make Radiohead's relentless experimentation satisfying. |
This is what I'm trying to say, but this guy is more more eloquent. I guess that's why I'm not a professional rock critic. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. Radiohead? I mean, come on. That's too easy. Red Hot Chili Peppers would kick their asses.  |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. Radiohead? I mean, come on. That's too easy. Red Hot Chili Peppers would kick their asses. |
Hehehehehehehehehehe.
Anthony Kedaris vs. Little Thommy Yorke.
That's a nice between classes image. Cheers.
*Edit: Somehow I combined Anthony Kiedis with David Sedaris. It's the heat, the heat I tell ya.
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: |
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I have spent the better part of the last 10 years praying that someone would just end Radiohead. Arrogant priks that they are.
Gotta love the funk and fun of the Peppers. |
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SMKOREA
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| What makes them arrogant? |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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I find it interesting that Tibby being a non-entity(mentally at least) is a very,very close third to the Gochus.
People ain't dumb sparkles, they aint dumb. |
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identity
Joined: 22 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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damn, man. i love radiohead. it's interesting. they go from floating over a city in a hot air balloon to firebombing dresden to hiding in a bunker and back. it's all a bunch of mindblowing shit for the most part. even the slow atmospheric stuff which most bands fail at have enough levels to keep from becoming annoying. they're all good, original musicians. thom yorke is one of a kind.
rhcp have a few good songs that i really like, but i don't really like anthony keidis when he raps, and the guitar parts are always pretty weak. flea, of course, is a bass master.
ps. people ain't dumb? you're smoking crack. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| flea, of course, is a bass master. |
Like this guy?
Totally agree with you radiohead, by the way. In fact, I'm quite surprised Kid A is getting such a bad rap in this thread. That album is absolutely marvelous.
Sparkles*_* |
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