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How Much Sleep Do You Need?

9 hours or more

12%

[ 7 ]

8 hours is perfect!

34%

[ 20 ]

7 hours

22%

[ 13 ]

6 hours

17%

[ 10 ]

I'm good on less than 6 hours

13%

[ 8 ]

Total Votes : 58

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hermes.trismegistus

Joined: 08 Sep 2005

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:53 am Post subject:

desultude wrote:

We sleep, as we are animals, we sleep as we do because we are human animals- not bears, cats or wolves.

No. We sleep as we do because it creates profit and wealth disparity.

Namaste.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 11:07 am Post subject:

hermes.trismegistus wrote:

desultude wrote:

We sleep, as we are animals, we sleep as we do because we are human animals- not bears, cats or wolves.

No. We sleep as we do because it creates profit and wealth disparity.

Namaste.

Wrong ( again ). And that's all the response you get. If you want to continue making idiotic comment with absolutely no hint of an attempt at explaining your absurd delusions, then you'll have to get used to people simply saying "Er, excuse me sir, but that is complete and utter BS".

If you want to try to at least pretend to have something sensible to say, you'll still get spanked, but in a more compassionate manner.

SPINOZA

Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:

For 100%, unstoppable, brilliant form....8 hours. 80%, basically normal and fine but with tired/unethusiastic spells (most of the time, sadly)....6 hours. Drank soju the night before....12 hours, and still feel like beep.

hermes.trismegistus

Joined: 08 Sep 2005

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject:

Satori wrote:

Lack of exposure to the relevant criticisms does not equate to an alternate perspective's lack of validity.

Communication can only occur among equals. Information transactions get processed through psychological filters - or glosses, in sociological terms.

When you don't even recognize the impact of the gloss, then information transactions truly get warped and the process becomes banal.

I'd guess you haven't read the same sociological texts that I have, so I wouldn't expect communication to occur (for bi-directional experiential reasons as well); however, it seems more appropriate to address those ignorances rather than to discount memes you have no experience with.

If you look back on human history, the institutionalization of sleep patterns arose with the factories during the Industrial Revolution. Humans were used as cogs - same as today - to perpetuate profit for the plutocracy and wealth disparity.

In agricultural and other pre-industrial societies, humans do not sleep in a single block. Block sleeping arose directly as a by-product of the Industrial Revolution, where machine efficiency began to be expected of workers. A further effect of this institutionalized industrialism was the bastardization of the education system; discussed so thouroughly by Gatto et al.

Namaste.

capebretoncanadian

Joined: 20 Feb 2005

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject:

hermes.trismegistus wrote:

Satori wrote:

Having likely read many of the same texts as you.....do shutup!

I operate at maximum efficiency on 8-9 hours of sleep...alas I usually only seem to get 6-7....oh well.

hermes.trismegistus

Joined: 08 Sep 2005

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject:

capebretoncanadian wrote:

Having likely read many of the same texts as you.....do shutup!

If you've read the same material and had the same experiences, it would truly be a marvel to behold! However, I don't think telling people to "shut up" seems in keeping with the flavor of my comments or the flavor of the texts I reference.

But hey, if you have a penchant for esotericism, actualization, transactional psychology, information theory, cognitive science, metempsychosis, transhumanism/Singulitarianism, psychopharmacology, integralism and ancient languages, we should compare notes.

Namaste.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject:

hermes.trismegistus wrote:

Satori wrote:

You are full of these unqualified absolute statements. "Communication can only occur amoung equals". So you're a sociologist eh? Well, I'm a linguist, and I can tell you very conclusively that communication can and does occur between people who are not equal in any way. For example, a baby and a mother. Need I continue?

The problem with your ideas is that they are not your own. If all you can do is parrot these ideas back to us, relying heavily on obscure terms that take whole books to qualify, it's a reasonable guess you haven't understood the material. A simple test of whether one has truly digested something is when they can teach it to someone else with no background in the subject, in very simple plain language, without using terms and catch phrases.

Your statement that we cannot communicate unless I've read all the same texts as you is a serious intellectual cop out. I'm intelligent enough to understand an idea when it's simply and clearly laid out. If you cannot lay it out simply and clearly that is not my failure.

You continue to make these bizarre and extreme assertions, based heavily on high brow terminology, with absolutely no support or explication. And one thing I have noticed is that no one seems to respond directly to you except me. Even if I am saying "the emperor has no clothes" I am at least doing you the honor of saying "Well, I took a little time to think about that, and, er, no". That must be slightly more gratifying than talking into a void, no? You seem to have the misunderstood genius/martyr complex. What you don't want to face is your own inability to communicate. I have a masters in English Literature, and your fancy verbiage does not impress me. Writing is about conveying ideas. The better one gets at writing the simpler one's prose becomes. If you want dialogue instead of public m a s t u r b a t i o n, it's time for you to throw away your heavy texts and start putting your philosophies through your own filter, and giving them to us in your own language. Have more confidence in your own judgement. Being an author just means that you sat down and wrote a book, it does not hallow your ideas. Reading lots of books is fine, believing them is another thing entirely.

Arguments that rely on common knowledge of a text become referential, always triangulated back to the text. New knowledge comes from synthesis. First we must read. Then we must digest. Then we have to synthesise. Then we must communicate, one to one, without interpolation. In that communication we can synthesise something new.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:

hermes.trismegistus wrote:

[
If you look back on human history, the institutionalization of sleep patterns arose with the factories during the Industrial Revolution. Humans were used as cogs - same as today - to perpetuate profit for the plutocracy and wealth disparity.

In agricultural and other pre-industrial societies, humans do not sleep in a single block. Block sleeping arose directly as a by-product of the Industrial Revolution, where machine efficiency began to be expected of workers. A further effect of this institutionalized industrialism was the bastardization of the education system; discussed so thouroughly by Gatto et al.

Namaste.

That is a better attempt. Though from my reading ancient man did not sleep in multi blocks in a 24 hour period. Rather, he slept when it was dark, and was active when it was light.

JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject:

SPINOZA wrote:

For 100%, unstoppable, brilliant form....8 hours.

80%, basically normal and fine but with tired/unethusiastic spells (most of the time, sadly)....6 hours.

Same with me on both counts. Actually, 5~6 hours is closer to the truth. I've seriously got to make a change in this regard now.

Quote:

Drank soju the night before....12 hours, and still feel like *beep*.

Take 2 aspirin before you sleep next time and see if you don't feel a lot better when you wake up.

Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

Take 2 aspirin before you sleep next time and see if you don't feel a lot better when you wake up.

That's not good for your liver, is it? Or is that only Tylenol?

Sparkles*_*

JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject:

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:

JongnoGuru wrote:

Take 2 aspirin before you sleep next time and see if you don't feel a lot better when you wake up.

That's not good for your liver, is it? Or is that only Tylenol?

Sparkles*_*

Taking aspirin after you've been drinking? I would think the only worry for the liver is the alcohol itself, and we already knew that. The aspirin isn't generally thought (or maybe at all thought) to harm the liver, as far as I know. They say don't take aspirin together with alcohol, which can increase the risk of stomach bleeding. But generally we're talking about an hour or longer after your last drink, just one or two tablets, and it's not like an every-night thing. We hope. This isn't meant to make it easier to get slammed on nights before an early workday, but rather reduce the severity of the consequences that one pays should it happen despite their better judgment.

desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject:

Satori wrote:

hermes.trismegistus wrote:

That is a better attempt. Though from my reading ancient man did not sleep in multi blocks in a 24 hour period. Rather, he slept when it was dark, and was active when it was light.

What I said. Cool

And I am sure that he/she slept for more than 8 hours. And probably slept considerable more in the winter than in the summer.

In tropical climes, the need to sleep in the heat of the afternoon has managed to keep the habit of siesta alive well into industrialization, although it seems to be dying out now- more due to polulation density, intense traffic, etc.

peemil

Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:11 am Post subject:

I sleep from mid night to four am- Then I have another quick hour around midday. I don't sleep well in the evening, and often get the most relaxed sleep after an hour, or two hours, if I'm feeing generous with myself, in the afternoon. Worth its weight in an entire night.

Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:48 am Post subject:

peemil wrote:

I don't sleep well in the evening.

Is that because people hold you down and beat you with bars of soap inside of socks?

Laughing

Sparkles*_*

out of context

Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Location: Daejeon

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:12 am Post subject:

I don't know if it's because I'm a casualty of the industrial age, but if I slept in two blocks of 2 hours each a day, I'm pretty sure I would be a zombie for all of my waking hours. I envy people who can get by with that little sleep. My natural sleep schedule (which I determine to be my sleep schedule on vacation) is probably not ideal: 4 am to noon. Too much sleeping during daylight hours, I know, but my most productive time has always been late evening. During this semester I have to get up at 7:30 three days a week, and it's obnoxious. I used to have Thursday afternoon free to take a nap, but no longer.

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